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TheMadHatter420
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I had a bacterial tub go a few days past 2 months from spawn to green.
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mynakedrat
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Symbiotic reactions! Ooooo
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c10h12n2o
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#24254749 - 04/18/17 03:26 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kenetic said: Hey c10 I recently found your screen name on another website, talking about shrooms back in 2002. Is that you? Been at it for a while apparently
lol do you mind PM'ing me the fourum/link? yes, it was probably me, ive been fascinated by the pharmacology of/and drugs since i was a kid, and i was a fuckin weird kid.. would go around mixing up poisons and trying them out on rabbits with a blow gun, riding around on a golf cart with a super soaker full of crude LC shooting every cow patty i saw (seemed smart at the time lol)
i was absolutely on lots of drug forums back in 2002 (middle school), i basically lived on them. spent more time on them than i do now.... i was fascinated by all these exotic drugs, in the deep south we only had weed, crack, pills, and meth
i probably started using the c10 name around 2001 on some sites (mostly not on the clearnet and off search engines, sketchy shit)
i used to have much older accounts on here, but mainly lurked for years, eventually lost the password and graduated from the school i had the email attached to
i actually did remember one of them recently, but i am not telling anyone what it was, for the same reason id rather you not say where you saw that publicly hahaha....
it is absolutely agonizing to read things i wrote from that long ago, i was an absolute idiot and i didnt even know it yet :lol
the more i learn the dumber i feel, and the more retarded my past ideas/beliefs/convictions seem hahaha
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bodhisatta said: Everything relies on faith but the human mind
Flowers don't know how to attract the bee, they just do Immune system doesn't know what it's doing it just does Tress don't know to drop their leaves, they just do
Society would protect itself and it's own interests. But we get in trouble by adding the active trying and "mindfulness"
True mindfulness would be knowledge that no idea is going to be universally correct or accepted. And we shouldn't be trying to put into words all the rules and laws to concrete our world to predictability and regulation.
Im not religious at all but I have plenty of faith in life. Somehow there's a sun that keeps the plants alive that keep the animals alive that keep me alive. Somehow there's the right amount of water around to create weather, somehow my heart beats itself, somehow the air i breathe is just right. So for example people get so upset and worried about other people owning guns near them. What kind of faith is that.
Dude, bod, have you ever read Nietzsche? it sounds like you would really dig him... id recommend starting with Twilight of the Idols, Beyond Good and Evil, and The Antichrist (if you have a beef with religion, or not, still a good read), and my favorite Thus Spake Zarathustra
i read nietzsche literally every single day. his writing has had more impact on my life than any particular event or idea. I cannot understate this : Nietzsche gave me wings.
he is a phenomenal writer, said more in a sentence than most do in a book. He railed against systems of thought, and said things like "there is my way, and there is your way, but as to THE way: it does not exist", really delved into the distinction between Truth and truth
Genealogy of Morals is another phenomenal one. seriously, just look up any random nietzsche quote or essay, it is solid gold
also, before he was 40, in the middle of his most productive period of writing (INSANELY productive) he saw a man beating his horse in italy and collapsed in the street and had a mental breakdown, and was debilitatingly insane for the rest of his life. this is extremely out of character and significant, because he was fundamentally opposed to pity, and saw it as a vice rather than a virtue
i cannot imagine where i would be in life if i had not studied nietzsche
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zajcob
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24254910 - 04/18/17 04:46 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Regarding general cultivation discussion, I have two monos colonizing and one of them has enough moisture buildup on the walls to have the water drip down the sides a little, but the other one just has really, really fine droplets on the walls, so the walls have a bit less moisture buildup. Should I be concerned about that? Should I seal the lid for the time being before fruiting?
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Josex
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: zajcob]
#24255039 - 04/18/17 06:07 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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 25 60ml luer lock syringes came to my door today.
I've been pouring my LC's no issues but I bought these because I'm going to build a somewhat complicated LC jar with the goal of making cultivation a breeze... No ships, no opening lids to inoculate, no syringe filters, easy and clean and crazy expansion of liquid cultures and clean inoculants every time.
I should've shut the fuck up till it's ready but I'm stoked
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AztecDeathWhistle
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24255349 - 04/18/17 08:19 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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At first I thought this was going to be some weird tin foil hat bullshit where the specifics make sense but the big picture is murky and flimsily tied together.
Instead it's a big picture with tin foil hat specifics. KGB guy was mostly right, except it wasn't Marxist/Lennin ideology it is some weird neo-facist American ideology and Trump is the great disrupter.
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AztecDeathWhistle
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To not drag the thread any further off topic:
Planning on doing a small MS PE grow in big gulps as a hunt for a viable clone. Rather than fruit it from start I'm planning on taping of the holes to allow it to over colonize as per RR's advice in Frank Horrigan's PE thread. Do you guys think the lid to cup body seal on this type of cup would allow for enough GE? Or should I leave one vent micropored over.
Also has anyone investigated garden coir as a casing?
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ComebackKid
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: zajcob]
#24255419 - 04/18/17 08:49 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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zajcob said: Regarding general cultivation discussion, I have two monos colonizing and one of them has enough moisture buildup on the walls to have the water drip down the sides a little, but the other one just has really, really fine droplets on the walls, so the walls have a bit less moisture buildup. Should I be concerned about that? Should I seal the lid for the time being before fruiting?
I never worry about the amount of moisture on the walls of my tub unless it's dripping onto my sub and fucking with my surface conditions. In that case I may wipe my lid dry. Don't worry yourself over the condensation in your tub, rather focus on the substrates surface conditions.
Josex Bro what the fuck do you have cooking??? Do I smell a badass TEK in the making?
Aztek I case with coir all the damn time but myc will usually rip through it. Some also mix with equal parts verm
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ComebackKid]
#24255438 - 04/18/17 08:57 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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ComebackKid said:
I case with coir all the damn time but myc will usually rip through it. Some also mix with equal parts verm 
Good to know. I was trying to avoid buying a massive sack of peat just to make the occasional casing layer. I already have too goddamn much verm, jars, and polyfil as is.
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mynakedrat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
#24255454 - 04/18/17 09:04 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Josex said:
 25 60ml luer lock syringes came to my door today.
I've been pouring my LC's no issues but I bought these because I'm going to build a somewhat complicated LC jar with the goal of making cultivation a breeze... No ships, no opening lids to inoculate, no syringe filters, easy and clean and crazy expansion of liquid cultures and clean inoculants every time.
I should've shut the fuck up till it's ready but I'm stoked 
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mynakedrat]
#24255464 - 04/18/17 09:08 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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 got my attention..
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Crispykoot
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24257043 - 04/19/17 11:27 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I hear a lot of people talking about chucking subs for bacterial reasons or Trich... Here's why I never chuck my fucked up subs...
Shit happens and a good cultivator learns how to salvage their crops when nec.
Trich IME usually stays fairly localized if the tray is covered, and you can still grab some yield without compromising everything.
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Changa Alchemist
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#24257131 - 04/19/17 11:57 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you say if you have a lid on a tray, the trich spores will stay localized to that tray as long as what? Treat it like an SAB? That would yield some very poor fruits.
I don't mean to come off as a dick, but I don't see why a cultivator who normally has a few different species growing (YOU) would want to increase trich spore ratio in your household by holding onto something like that.. or the smell for that matter.
I will say, I've gotten sick and almost lost my eyesight due to extremely high consistent RH and poor growing conditions, so I'm extremely anal about what I keep around now.
Are you saying those fruits came from a trich tub?
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bodhisatta 
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No one's going to convince me the salvage method is anything less than lazy
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Mad Season
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Sure clean spawn can grow in a triched out environment, but that shit is actually harder to achieve than most would believe. You gotta be hella anal. Lots say it's the hardest part of mushroom cultivation. If you had a low spore load, you can grow with bacterial spawn. Example, every cultivator who is or was a noob.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21856836
This is what I got from tossing my contamed subs outside a couple summers back. Outdoor grows ftw
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c10h12n2o
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mad Season]
#24257323 - 04/19/17 01:10 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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how fuckin cool... what exactly did you do with those mad?
i havent done much active outdoor stuff yet, but i am about to start some projects 
i actually just picked a local oyster in the wild yesterday, about to clone it ought to be pretty well adjusted to my climate zone
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24257345 - 04/19/17 01:16 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wish I could find oysters in my area but we have morels everywhere. Me and my girl went looking the other day I'm Gunna print and clone a good amount and spray a spore solution outside and do some work indoors.
Oh c10 making some rye ATM I'll update that thread with it
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24257416 - 04/19/17 01:43 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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i will make slants of this one, more than happy to share if you want it
i have some good commercial cultures of pearl and lung oysters already on slants
i havent done any edible work from spores, only cultures; is there any reason to collect spores from these wild fruits, or should i just put it on agar and store it that way?
sweet, are you planning to do controls of each different lid tek, as i recommended?
if so, how are you doing your lids? follow a good polyfill tek for those, and for the SFDs, ideally you should drill a single hole in the middle of a metal (or plastic) lid, and use a WHOLE sfd for each sfd jar(i know lots of people cut them up, but that can cause problems, even though it doesnt usually... for the sake of debugging, use a whole SFD for each sfd jar)
that should be quite helpful in figuring out your issue, or at least narrowing it down
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24257503 - 04/19/17 02:37 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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What kind of oyster is it?
I'm not this time around I don't have any further sfds all just cut up and I didn't prep any before hand i plan to do it next time already made the lids just waiting for them to cure.
This time I'm doing the same prep as before (my king oysters look amazing) but increasing vent and PC times by 5 mins and 45 mins.
I also have done minimal edible work. I want some spores so I can find my own cultures.
Yeah my goal right now is to at least narrow it down. I feel like it's really the same concept as the pyrex media bottles as well. So I'm not saying that it's not my problem it's just slightly less likely too be because of the amount of bacteria visable.
That also doesn't mean I won't test it with controls still (what I said above).
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24257684 - 04/19/17 04:09 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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are you at least doing some with polyfill this time around? id do at least 2, one control and one to test, just so you can see how it compares to the cracked jars
make sure you understand that it is a good idea to be using some kind of filtration for GE on your grain spawn jars, and its gonna be really hard to know what went wrong when you are exposing sterilized grain to open air before it has been colonized by the myc, thats dangerous
it very well might work, but it will be in spite of not using a filter, not because of not using a filter. if your contam load is low enough and your cultures are aggressive enough (which yours seem like they might be), they could very well outrun any contams that try to become established on the grains, and if there is no uncolonized substrate exposed, there is nothing for the contams to become established on (except the parasitic ones)
cracking the spawn jars and exposing them to open air during colonization might work in your particular situation, or someone elses. but everyone i am aware of who consistently gets clean spawn and has done enough to have their workflow worked out uses at least polyfill or tyvekk, ideally SFDs, for GE filtration
thats why everytime someone successfully colonizes spawn in open air we say "wow thats amazing that that worked!!" because the opposite would have been less suprising
if you want consistency its worth considering. trying to get clean spawn isnt where you want to cut corners, especially when you are having issues with it
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