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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nichrome] * 6
    #28575387 - 12/09/23 07:21 AM (1 month, 19 days ago)

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Left the dude hangin' for 7 years.





By now it’s probably all just water under the fridge.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tiamo]
    #28575485 - 12/09/23 08:37 AM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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People have been isolating psilocybin from shrooms since the 1950s, but you think it can’t be done now? Hot water extraction is a fine way to make a tea, but it’s nowhere near pure. Reduce and try to crystallize and see what kind of trash you get.





I haven't made myself clear, I do think psilocybin can be extracted from mushrooms. I have no doubt, I have seen it described. What I do doubt is:

(1) If we could isolate other alkaloids such as baeocystin or aeruginascin and if they are even active and/or can be differentiated (subjectively) from psilocybin? I have not seen any techniques to extract these or experiences with them.

(2) If a psilocybin extraction can be differentiated from a mushroom experience including other alkaloids

And then another point that I have is why would you bother with a full spectrum (so, with all alkaloids present) mushroom extraction vs a hot water extraction? Isn't a hot water extraction basically a full spectrum extraction? For where I am standing I have reduced hot water extractions down to 1g/mL or more, which is a crazy potent liquid. I do not see any point for stronger extractions for the vast majority (99.9%+) of users.





I agree completely, but what would be the next step when having a 1g/ml extraction. Is making gummys the only option for long term storage ? Or are there other options to create shelf stable drops ?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tiamo] * 2
    #28575530 - 12/09/23 08:54 AM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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San Pedro Girl said:
People have been isolating psilocybin from shrooms since the 1950s, but you think it can’t be done now? Hot water extraction is a fine way to make a tea, but it’s nowhere near pure. Reduce and try to crystallize and see what kind of trash you get.





I haven't made myself clear, I do think psilocybin can be extracted from mushrooms. I have no doubt, I have seen it described. What I do doubt is:

(1) If we could isolate other alkaloids such as baeocystin or aeruginascin and if they are even active and/or can be differentiated (subjectively) from psilocybin? I have not seen any techniques to extract these or experiences with them.

(2) If a psilocybin extraction can be differentiated from a mushroom experience including other alkaloids

And then another point that I have is why would you bother with a full spectrum (so, with all alkaloids present) mushroom extraction vs a hot water extraction? Isn't a hot water extraction basically a full spectrum extraction? For where I am standing I have reduced hot water extractions down to 1g/mL or more, which is a crazy potent liquid. I do not see any point for stronger extractions for the vast majority (99.9%+) of users.



I know we’ve experimented with BEO by itself. And plenty of people have subjectively compared pure psilocybin to full spectrum over the years. I’m not sure about the others, but it’s all either been done or is easily possible.

I’m with you about the impracticality of a full extraction for personal use. I just make tea. However, we’re only two people. Others have different motives and goal that are valid to them whether we can relate or not. That picture of mescaline sulfate crystals I posted was taken after a month of slow recrystalization at 4°C. There was no practical purpose other than me wanting a cool pic of crazy long, perfect crystal needles.🤷


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheOffice] * 1
    #28575654 - 12/09/23 10:07 AM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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I doubt that’s psilocybin in those drops





I also have my doubts,

But as Stockw said, there are several drops sold as psilocybin drops.

What would be your argument(s) for your doubt(s)?




I'm not Mr hobbit but my doubts that they're actually psilocybin is that people in the US have been using 5-meo-dmt in "mushroom" chocolates and other edibles around here for years. So they could easily just make a solution and put that in the dropper bottle call it psilocybin extract. I definitely believe mushrooms can be extracted so I'm not saying 100% they are fake I would just be skeptical until I knew the actual process but that's unlikely to happen with the legality and all that.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: WyoMX] * 1
    #28575697 - 12/09/23 10:54 AM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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P.s. I know for a fact some vendors also put 4-aco-dmt in the bottles.. to "supplement the psilocybin" could this be a stabilizing factor or is it just to make up for the degradation of psilocybin/psilocin?




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: San Pedro Girl]
    #28575698 - 12/09/23 10:55 AM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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Only reason I thought to wait with HPOO subs was to allow for beneficial flora to come back more completely.



I was under the impression that you want the sub very well cultured BEFORE you pasteurize, in the anticipation that many of the good bacteria will die off as well. After pasteurization, I believe good and bad are both back to competing for the resources, but with good having the advantage. But I also don’t work with pasteurized sub, so I’m just being academic/talking out of my ass here.🤷




I was having a total brain fart when I replied to this , of course straw and manure can be composted first then pasteurized
I was thinking the way I prep sub for pans which is manure and coir, which I wouldn't want to culture first.

My apologies SPG.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: thirdeyewild]
    #28575720 - 12/09/23 11:19 AM (1 month, 18 days ago)

Yeah if you guys figure out a way to store psilo on a shelf in any kind of solution you can take orally by the drop post it here asap. Lot of people would like to hear from you.

I could be wrong, but I think people have thoroughly chased that dragon around here. Gummies, it seems to me, are your best bet at shelf stable, easily dosed psilocybin.

I am all ears, though. WyoMX is right. Whatever was in that bottle was whatever they’re putting in chocolates to pretend they’re mush bars.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28575792 - 12/09/23 12:39 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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Yeah if you guys figure out a way to store psilo on a shelf in any kind of solution you can take orally by the drop post it here asap. Lot of people would like to hear from you.

I could be wrong, but I think people have thoroughly chased that dragon around here. Gummies, it seems to me, are your best bet at shelf stable, easily dosed psilocybin.

I am all ears, though. WyoMX is right. Whatever was in that bottle was whatever they’re putting in chocolates to pretend they’re mush bars.





I understand.. thanks for the expansion🙏🏼
I am going to save myself some time and stick with gummies😅(although the extraction itself was a fun project)

For people wondering we've got very good results with this method https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4038992/.

Also WyoMX thanks for the response..

Everywhere I search I come to this same conclusion, so I'm also very sceptical about the "mushroom" drops that are offered for sale around here.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheOffice]
    #28575810 - 12/09/23 12:56 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

I'm curious now, I might have to make some drops and try storing them in a dark container. My thinking is the the citric acid used in the extraction will help preserve the psilocybin in the solution. If only I had some dried mushroom around. 😉

A while back, I made an extraction of subtropicalis, reduced it to syrup, added moonshine, let sit then filtered. I need to test it one of these days, might be strong AF?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
    #28575822 - 12/09/23 01:06 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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Smellyhobbit said:
Gummies, it seems to me, are your best bet at shelf stable, easily dosed psilocybin.
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it seems to me that chocolates would be more shelf-stable, especially when vacuum sealed. gummies require the addition of a preservative to prevent molding, whereas chocolate does not. Dark chocolate, vacuum sealed and stored in a cool, dark space, can last up to 25 years, gummies maybe two years. a friend recently requested some more chocolates, he had just finished eating his last chocolate, it was 3 years old and still as strong as the day i made it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: normalperson]
    #28575831 - 12/09/23 01:15 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

High sugar content in your gummies should be enough to make them bacteriostatic. And then I'd freeze them too.


Edited by wavyedge (12/09/23 01:15 PM)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wavyedge]
    #28575842 - 12/09/23 01:19 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

doesn't a high sugar % make the gummies too soft?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: normalperson] * 1
    #28575844 - 12/09/23 01:20 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

Are the desiccated mushrooms themselves not reliable or stable? The mushroom fruitbody itself appears to be a reasonable delivery method for the administration of their trypatamine alkaloids. :shrug:

Desiccation combined with silica and vacuum sealed jars will keep them stable for long enough.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28575851 - 12/09/23 01:25 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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Are the desiccated mushrooms themselves not reliable or stable? The mushroom fruitbody itself appears to be a reasonable delivery method for the administration of their trypatamine alkaloids. :shrug:

Desiccation combined with silica and vacuum sealed jars will keep them stable for long enough.



Yes, but how will we dose the city’s water supply?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28575856 - 12/09/23 01:29 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

oh...yeah...dry them out, seal them up, and leave them alone. should last for decades. have to agree that this is probably the best, long-term storage method. also in a form that is ready to be extracted from in case a new, noob-friendly extraction method is developed sometime in the future.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: normalperson] * 3
    #28575857 - 12/09/23 01:30 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

All that and some kid or unsuspecting adult will be very unlikely to mistake them for candy:lol:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 4
    #28575861 - 12/09/23 01:36 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

In whatever form you keep em, lock up your drugs so your kids are safe.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wavyedge] * 2
    #28575863 - 12/09/23 01:37 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

Absolutely, but we all know that shit happens, from time to time.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
    #28575866 - 12/09/23 01:38 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

I hear you though, too many stories of this happening with cannabis gummies, or even adults unwittingly taking psychedelics.


Edited by wavyedge (12/09/23 01:39 PM)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wavyedge]
    #28575917 - 12/09/23 02:17 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

Put the time in to sift five cups of peat through a mesh strainer and made a 50/50 peat/sand casing out of it for some tamps I want to spawn tomorrow.

The stuff reminds me of loomy beach soil.  Fluffy and light.


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