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SingularFusion said: you reckon there is no difference in effect between species Tiamo?
I dunno man, the effects seem noticeably different even when overall psilo milligram weight is approximately the same. But I have nothing scientific to hold up and was just posing a wondering about it really, entourage etc and all that
And I personally do not disagree with you Trypt, I find most weed smokes the same except for flavour and sedation level. But surely everything I had read previously said terps are modulating and altering shit
I have not tried species other than cubensis yet, so I can not comment on that. For cubes, what I said has always held true, imo, and I really don't expect it to change for other species.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tiamo] 1
#28571226 - 12/06/23 08:42 AM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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It's interesting to hear that betacarbolines show up, but I haven't seen any quantification work. What compounds at what concentrations?
I think there's trouble in subjectively qualifying what the effects are of even the primary known alkaloids because it's so variable between people. Can I tell the difference between a sufficiently high dose of psilocybin and, say dxm? I think I can, but do you trust me?
From the first time western culture tried to explain it, the variability of the experience was pretty clear in what Osmond wrote to Huxley:
"To fathom hell or soar angelic/Just take a pinch of psychedelic."
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wavyedge] 3
#28571230 - 12/06/23 08:50 AM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JW123] 1
#28571320 - 12/06/23 10:01 AM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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That article was pretty specific that it was only referring to variation within cubensis. I am skeptical that the variations in trip qualities is more than placebo effect, dose, set and setting. But I could be proven wrong and won't even whimper.
I never got good enough at doing the pots to detect the differences. But I do have my favorite edibles. I don't know that they do what the girl behind the counter says, but I do like some more than others. (Can't smoke any more, instant vomit exorcist style)
Back to shrooms. I do believe that I feel a difference in effects of different species, e.g. semps vs tamps vs cubes. But still could be placebo effect, dose, set and setting. Hoping that when I try out my pan bvi I will get my OEV socks blown off and be willing to commit to saying there is a definite difference from species to species. But then that negates the designer breeding mentioned in the article, unless you are using snake venom and wolf urine, right?
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JW123 said: That part of the article is obvious. They also say other more interesting things. Like mushrooms are the cheapest way to produce psilocybin is this true given what we know about subtropicalis mycelium?
I guess you know where I fall on this question. They obviously didn't do their research in the right places.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28571352 - 12/06/23 10:35 AM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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Could you imagine if they actually pull it off though? Like you could make a mushrooms that would not make you introspective and yet gives you crazy visuals. Or the complete opposite. Or something that just affects your body and not your mind.
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#28571382 - 12/06/23 10:54 AM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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But the body is the mind, they are one.
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#28571449 - 12/06/23 11:45 AM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ReverendMyc] 1
#28571511 - 12/06/23 12:47 PM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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Just gonna throw my 2cents in.... While I am very new to shrooms, the green beauties have been my lifeblood... definitely different effects from different strains, and from what I've read you can't really compare weed 'strains' to mushroom 'varieties' in terms of breeding 'in' characteristics... more so just isolating. But the natural world is one to throw curve balls, so who knows what the future will hold. Personally I prefer old school genetics that I enjoy the high from, and the well rounded natural configurations of a substances makeup. Nature's done so much work for us already đ
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ReverendMyc] 6
#28571558 - 12/06/23 01:23 PM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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Glad to see this got some discussion going. There is definitely a difference between species. There is a reason that after people try exotics they say fuck cubes and I don't believe it is just psilocybin content. I would agree it it is all set and setting if we were taking a pure chemical, but we are not. I am about to voice an unpopular opinion around here, but I don't believe a cube is a cube either. If you look at any of the recent psilocybin cups you will see the variation in compounds other than psilocybin and psilocin just among cube varieties. I hope SirPsycho doesn't see this. I definitely could not tell one from another blindfolded, but that does not mean that the effects are identical. I am glad to see more studies being done. Hopefully in the future we will all know more.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JW123] 2
#28571598 - 12/06/23 01:59 PM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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I definitely get different effects from cubes, liberty caps, and pans. I've been doing liberty caps for years before I started growing. Haven't done them in months now, but I did 1.5g last week, and got that very familiar feeling. Vibrating visuals, nice glow around everything, energetic.
Pan cyans knock me out, even if I don't have visuals. I ate 3g fresh and was immobilized on the couch for a few hours. 0.5g was more familiar territory, similar to 1g+ of semilanceata, but still very sedative and less visuals. I feel like pans are a very different beast, curious to see what larger doses will do.
Cubes are easier on the body than semis and pans. Of the cubes I've grown (B+, ecuador, hillbilly, AA+, APE-R) I can't tell any difference apart from variations in potency. My B+ cultures have all been very potent. I tripped harder on 35g fresh B+ tea than anything I've done. Similar to 3.5g semilanceata. APE-R has been close, while ecuador, hillbilly and AA+ have been about half that potency.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bismillah] 3
#28571606 - 12/06/23 02:09 PM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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I feel like until more work is done to isolate various active chemicals and test them individually in a lab setting then we won't be able to differentiate between their effects
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#28572335 - 12/07/23 03:06 AM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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ReverendMyc said: All is one.
Thou art god, I am god. All that groks is god. - Heinlein via Valentine Michael Smith
Loved that book!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jungatheart]
#28572946 - 12/07/23 02:56 PM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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Been trying to find some infor on uncased coir and what that process looks like. Used CVG and spawn, no casing layer and straight to fruiting condidtions. Lots of FAE and all looks white with balls forming on ends on rhizo's etc. Been 5-6 days. Is this gunna be a disaster?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: si300mon] 2
#28572950 - 12/07/23 03:01 PM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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si300mon said: Been trying to find some infor on uncased coir and what that process looks like. Used CVG and spawn, no casing layer and straight to fruiting condidtions. Lots of FAE and all looks white with balls forming on ends on rhizo's etc. Been 5-6 days. Is this gunna be a disaster?
Just the same as coir with a top layer except you see grains and the surface might dry out a bit quicker.
People ran without top layers for ages just fine. As long as your spawn is healthy and your substrate is at field capacity you're solid. Just avoid the common trap of giving a tub too much fae and having to mist daily.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bismillah]
#28572976 - 12/07/23 03:24 PM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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Pan cyans knock me out, even if I don't have visuals. I ate 3g fresh and was immobilized on the couch for a few hours. 0.5g was more familiar territory, similar to 1g+ of semilanceata, but still very sedative and less visuals. I feel like pans are a very different beast, curious to see what larger doses will do.
Cubes are easier on the body than semis and pans. Of the cubes I've grown (B+, ecuador, hillbilly, AA+, APE-R) I can't tell any difference apart from variations in potency.
I'd say it's completely the opposite, IME cubes give me a heavy body load, but pans don't. I went for a walk in the woods on 1 gram of pans and it was a nice trip. I can't imagine going for a walk on 4 grams of dry cubes bacause of heavy body load, but 1 gram of dry panaeolus was okay for walking. Additionally, panaeolus are about 4 times more potent than cubensis. Different strains give different effects for me. I feel that every mushroom has its own individual spirit and personality.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bra] 2
#28574052 - 12/08/23 08:33 AM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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Tiamo said: I have to wonder what the point is to mess about with all that chemistry to do a "full extraction" when one can do a hot water extraction and reduce the liquid down?
A full extraction allows you to take an exact dose of a specific alkaloid as well as reducing the dose to 1 tiny capsule by removing the other crap. Some people love chemistry.
You can reduce hot water extraction down to the same concentration. 
You also say you can take a specific alkaloid, but I'm not convinced you can? From what I've seen on the chemistry forum there is no such technique specified.
I threw this here on mushboyâs suggestion. Sorry for the off topic!
People have been isolating psilocybin from shrooms since the 1950s, but you think it canât be done now? Hot water extraction is a fine way to make a tea, but itâs nowhere near pure. Reduce and try to crystallize and see what kind of trash you get.
Even a simple MeOH soxhlet extraction will yield better results than hot water. Take that and re crystallize in freezing anhydrous acetone, and youâll further reduce it without a lot of work. At that point youâre at a full spectrum alkaloid extraction and beautiful crystals.
Beyond that, youâll have to discuss with someone more knowledgeable in psilocybin than me, but feel free to message me anytime about Mescaline extractions. Hereâs some of my pretty crystals.đ
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I'm interested to know more about separating specific alkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids] 1
#28574073 - 12/08/23 08:45 AM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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I second that. Fascinating topic, would love to learn more.
Thanks for the intel SPG.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stockw] 1
#28574118 - 12/08/23 09:32 AM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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Trying a new method of pasteurizing my Pan Substrate

Doing it in Jars
already hydrated coir: 7lbs Field aged manure: 3lbs Chopped organic straw: 200 grams
Going to pasteurize at 140-160 for 2 hours.
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Tiamo said: I have to wonder what the point is to mess about with all that chemistry to do a "full extraction" when one can do a hot water extraction and reduce the liquid down?
A full extraction allows you to take an exact dose of a specific alkaloid as well as reducing the dose to 1 tiny capsule by removing the other crap. Some people love chemistry.
You can reduce hot water extraction down to the same concentration. 
You also say you can take a specific alkaloid, but I'm not convinced you can? From what I've seen on the chemistry forum there is no such technique specified.
I threw this here on mushboyâs suggestion. Sorry for the off topic!
People have been isolating psilocybin from shrooms since the 1950s, but you think it canât be done now? Hot water extraction is a fine way to make a tea, but itâs nowhere near pure. Reduce and try to crystallize and see what kind of trash you get.
Even a simple MeOH soxhlet extraction will yield better results than hot water. Take that and re crystallize in freezing anhydrous acetone, and youâll further reduce it without a lot of work. At that point youâre at a full spectrum alkaloid extraction and beautiful crystals.
Beyond that, youâll have to discuss with someone more knowledgeable in psilocybin than me, but feel free to message me anytime about Mescaline extractions. Hereâs some of my pretty crystals.đ

Fucking beautiful đ€©
Would absolutely love to know more about this process. Would be a cool write up in the entheogenic threads
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