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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro] * 1
    #28409175 - 07/26/23 02:37 PM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Why?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
    #28409184 - 07/26/23 02:44 PM (6 months, 1 day ago)

I'm prepping the seed with lime, but I'm concerned with contaminates within the agricultural grade lime... compared to the culinary.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #28409187 - 07/26/23 02:47 PM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Any particular reason you’re using lime for grain prep?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28409196 - 07/26/23 02:56 PM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Its a long story~ but I'm having very good success cold soaking WBS. I was testing all sorts of other methods (other than cooking) and ran into fermentation problems. Nixtamalization is an interesting thing, so I did some testing... it removes a layer of the seed shell, and somehow allows 4% more water uptake. That 4% (35% to 39% water) more than halves the colonization time. Lime-less cold soaked WBS is just too dry. But warm water ferments.

No cooking, Loaded wet. Its a dreamy method, for me.

Anyhoo, I'm tired of buying a loads of little bags of grandmas pickling lime. Just wondered if anyone knew the grades.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #28409558 - 07/26/23 07:46 PM (6 months, 1 day ago)

I'm not sure how it would contaminate anything if it's going to be pc'd


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #28409572 - 07/26/23 08:05 PM (6 months, 1 day ago)

ive grown a few bags of cubes using just cold soaked seed.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro] * 1
    #28409576 - 07/26/23 08:12 PM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Agricultural lime is often used for cold pasteurization of straw for commercial edible species. Should be gtg :thumbup:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #28409578 - 07/26/23 08:13 PM (6 months, 1 day ago)

shit i need to soak some i got some spores i need to run thru and finish other projects my lazy ass keeps neglecting:suicide:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #28409580 - 07/26/23 08:15 PM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Just make sure it's hydrated lime, not the other stuff with high magnesium.

Adding lime sounds like an excellent idea, I have tons of it sitting around. It never occurred to me to use in conjunction with soaking millet, thanks for the tip.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28409622 - 07/26/23 09:13 PM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Drilling 8 new pasty tubs today and had a dumbass epiphany :rofl:

Rather than measure and mark each tub I just need to mark one and then stack it in the next and copy the holes 1.5" down. Super simple but probably saved me a good 30 minutes at least :laugh:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tri-Polar] * 2
    #28409765 - 07/27/23 01:19 AM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Wait you guys are using uncooked wbs?


I’ve heard of using lime to pasteurize straw but never heard anything about doing that with grain.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #28409766 - 07/27/23 01:22 AM (6 months, 1 day ago)

You still pc the grain if I'm not mistaken.
The lime is to prep the wbs prior to pc.
Or did I misunderstand and it's actually wbs without a pc?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28409777 - 07/27/23 01:36 AM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Yeah I always thought cold soak as far as wbs just meant it sits in a bucket overnight before getting sterilized, but then lime is used for cold soak pasteurization so now idk :lol:


I assume it would be way more common in Europe where it’s tough to get cookers if you could just soak with lime.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #28410122 - 07/27/23 09:51 AM (6 months, 16 hours ago)

I'm sterilizing after I cold soak with hydrated lime. Its just to prep better.

Thanks for all the advice!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #28410258 - 07/27/23 11:34 AM (6 months, 14 hours ago)

I prepared wheat by boiling it, according to this tek.  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26326713#26326713

I think it went well. Drying it was really annoying though; I had to spread it all over the place, and it dries much slower once it's cold. Then I put the lids on upside-down and pressure cooked it at 15PSI for two hours. The kitchen smelled like hot grain afterwards. Not great, to be honest.

Can I keep the prepared grain jars on my shelf until I'm ready to use them? How long do they last? Should I put them in the fridge?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28410279 - 07/27/23 11:44 AM (6 months, 14 hours ago)

You can just no prep 4lb bags 1178g wbs :634g water.
Pc 3 hrs. Comes out a bit dirty but is never an issue.

Same for quarts, 294.5 Wbs and 158.5 water


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Arctic_Fox]
    #28410540 - 07/27/23 03:25 PM (6 months, 10 hours ago)

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I prepared wheat by boiling it, according to this tek.  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26326713#26326713

I think it went well. Drying it was really annoying though; I had to spread it all over the place, and it dries much slower once it's cold. Then I put the lids on upside-down and pressure cooked it at 15PSI for two hours. The kitchen smelled like hot grain afterwards. Not great, to be honest.

Can I keep the prepared grain jars on my shelf until I'm ready to use them? How long do they last? Should I put them in the fridge?




If you've hard boiled wheat like the tek you don't need to dry it like that.
You can dry it in a large colander or large bucket with holes drilled.

I hard boil for 30 minutes and pour into a 20L bucket to drain and cool.
Once it's cool enough to work with I fill jars, zero drying time as such.



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Leche de] * 1
    #28410620 - 07/27/23 04:31 PM (6 months, 9 hours ago)

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You can just no prep 4lb bags 1178g wbs :634g water.
Pc 3 hrs. Comes out a bit dirty but is never an issue.

Same for quarts, 294.5 Wbs and 158.5 water




I thought the same.
60 moldy tubs later i understood why you prep grain 😂
No prep is not reliable when doing bulk ime


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #28410644 - 07/27/23 05:00 PM (6 months, 9 hours ago)

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I'm prepping the seed with lime, but I'm concerned with contaminates within the agricultural grade lime... compared to the culinary.



How much lime do you add?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Culliganman360]
    #28410712 - 07/27/23 06:08 PM (6 months, 7 hours ago)


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Quote:

Leche de said:
You can just no prep 4lb bags 1178g wbs :634g water.
Pc 3 hrs. Comes out a bit dirty but is never an issue.

Same for quarts, 294.5 Wbs and 158.5 water




I thought the same.
60 moldy tubs later i understood why you prep grain 😂
No prep is not reliable when doing bulk ime




My condolences- 60 full size monos?!

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20 mins vent.
Of course there is the Occasional trich on a tub or 2 but really quite uncommon and I would usually blame that on inconsistent sterile tech
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