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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78] 4
#28388476 - 07/07/23 02:38 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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Man datura and those kind of deliriant drugs are the one class I’ve never had an interest in. When I was like 16-20 a lot people would go hunt datura and I’d say prob 80% of them woke up in the hospital or jail.
The trips sound pretty cool sometimes but that complete break from reality and sanity always kept me away.
If these people hopping on the psychedelic fad ever tried those I’m pretty sure they’d immediately start campaigning to outlaw everything instead of trying to start a shaman/life coach business.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] 1
#28388543 - 07/07/23 04:04 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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Because eating 2g of cubes in your living room aint the same thing as being a shaman in a hut talking to the demons.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78] 1
#28388569 - 07/07/23 04:22 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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I like druids better.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yahra] 1
#28388570 - 07/07/23 04:23 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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Yeah cz there's a shitload of Amanitas in that soup
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] 5
#28388579 - 07/07/23 04:32 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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A.k.a said: Man datura and those kind of deliriant drugs are the one class I’ve never had an interest in.
I did Jimson tea when I was 13 and couldn't get real drugs yet. Not a "flying on a broom" dose but enough to know I'd never do it again. Horrible, sweaty, feverish, dizzy dizzy dizzy bad trip shit.
For deliriants, I much prefer ether or nitrous. You can forget your species on those as much as on DMT or Jimson.
Shamans aren't all they're cracked up to be.
Carlos Castaneda made up every word of The Teachings of Don Juan (also got a bogus Masters degree with it). Plus a few of "his witches" (his "students" / groupies) vanished. One they found only her skeleton, and some people think he killed them, maybe in a "ritual."
María Sabina, about as real a Shaman as can be, her son was murdered, supposedly because she turned the white man onto sacred shrooms.
What I never figured out is why R. Gordon Wasson had to go to Mexico and get a guide in 1955 to take Psilocybe caerulescens when Cubes were already growing in cow pastures all over Texas?
Maybe the journey intrigued him. As much a legit scientists as Albert Hoffmann was susceptible to the power of suggestion b.s. of the Sha(wo)man. Hoffmann described his shroom trips with her as having Mexican art designs in the hallucinations. He talks about that in "My Problem Child."
If anyone needs a shaman: BE YOUR OWN SHAMAN. Or take turns with your friends. You're likely to learn as much, if not more than, than if you spend 10 grand to go do "natural" "sacred" drugs with shamen in the jungle.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 2
#28388599 - 07/07/23 04:50 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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Castaneda really created a cult following for the romantic shaman didn't he?
There's a bunch of actual hardcore ethnographers who described what it's like to be a shaman, Malinowski, Levi-Strauss and a bunch of others who I don't remember nor can I do justice right now in my drunken state. They get shit on now because of cultural relativism but fuck that noise lol.
A shaman straddles the space between insanity and the outer limits of sanity. It's a specific phenomenon of a specific kind of society. We are not that kind of society.
Shamans would be homeless bums in our world. Fight me.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78] 3
#28388603 - 07/07/23 04:54 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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altford78 said: Shamans would be homeless bums in our world.
"Holy Men" are a dime a thousand in India. They're called "Godmen"
Beats working or starving.
Many actually are homeless, until they get some followers, usually westerners with money.
Sometimes they come to America and try to kill people.
The Beatles got sucked in by an Indian Godman for a minute. Once they came to their senses they wrote a really great mean song about him:
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 1
#28388608 - 07/07/23 05:02 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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Hey guys I was wondering if you buy a special kind of swab that's already sterile to take swabs or how you guys go about it? I only use a SAB and have some swab only genetics I want to save and share at some point.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78] 5
#28388609 - 07/07/23 05:03 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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altford78 said: A shaman straddles the space between insanity and the outer limits of sanity. It's a specific phenomenon of a specific kind of society. We are not that kind of society.
Shamans would be homeless bums in our world. Fight me.
Can confirm. Been homeless 3 times. They refuse to pay me for my wisdoms

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iceNock said: Hey guys I was wondering if you buy a special kind of swab that's already sterile to take swabs or how you guys go about it? I only use a SAB and have some swab only genetics I want to save and share at some point.
You can buy sterilized swabs or make your own (qtip wrapped in foil, PC)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: iceNock] 1
#28388612 - 07/07/23 05:06 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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iceNock said: Hey guys I was wondering if you buy a special kind of swab that's already sterile to take swabs or how you guys go about it? I only use a SAB and have some swab only genetics I want to save and share at some point.
https://www.amazon.com/Cotton-Tip-Applicator-Sterile-100/dp/B000BI3M60/
Make sure they say sterile, like those.
These are NOT sterile, says in the heading. Though you have to dig down in the listing on some to find that: https://www.amazon.com/Dealmed-Cotton-Tipped-Wood-Applicators-Non-Sterile/dp/B08P2635PK/
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 1
#28388641 - 07/07/23 05:28 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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nektar61 said:
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iceNock said: Hey guys I was wondering if you buy a special kind of swab that's already sterile to take swabs or how you guys go about it? I only use a SAB and have some swab only genetics I want to save and share at some point.
https://www.amazon.com/Cotton-Tip-Applicator-Sterile-100/dp/B000BI3M60/
Make sure they say sterile, like those.
These are NOT sterile, says in the heading. Though you have to dig down in the listing on some to find that: https://www.amazon.com/Dealmed-Cotton-Tipped-Wood-Applicators-Non-Sterile/dp/B08P2635PK/
Perfect, this is exactly what I needed. Thank you!!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: iceNock]
#28388708 - 07/07/23 06:54 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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Hi Guys,
Sorry for the newb questions here, I'm on my first grow, spawned to bulk 1 week ago, only opened the tub for the first time today to send through a pic or two to get some advice from experienced growers like yourselves-
How is this all looking?
It looks to be Rhizomorphic mycelium if im not mistaken- is this getting close to flipping into fruiting condition?
I cant smell anything wrong with it when ive opened it..
Any advice would be appreciated.
Its been grown from spore and its Tidal Wave genetic.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mataleao] 2
#28388783 - 07/07/23 08:14 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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Most of us, myself included, go straight to fruiting conditions around here.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JW123] 1
#28388802 - 07/07/23 08:36 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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Thanks for that, just questioning myself because i see so many varied opinions/statements about these things
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JW123] 2
#28388842 - 07/07/23 09:21 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78] 2
#28388953 - 07/08/23 03:01 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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altford78 said: A shaman straddles the space between insanity and the outer limits of sanity. It's a specific phenomenon of a specific kind of society. We are not that kind of society.
The way I see it they have one foot in the 'spirit realm'. Obviously in modern times more of us are somewhat knowledgable on these harder to find compounds like Ayahuasca or Ibogaine or Peyote. But before the internet Shamans were the keepers of this knowledge.
Currently reading that Graham Hancock book 'Supernatural' where he goes to the Peruvian Amazon & takes Ayahuasca multiple times every night for like a week straight with Shamans who've been picked by their tribe to be a Shaman, and studied the practice their entire life. Some have a deep understanding of their surroundings & nature in general.
I think we can all agree that it's fairly bogus & abhorrent when a middle aged whitey from the burbs decides to call themselves a Shaman & charge people 50k for a getaway, but I respect the culture of Shamanism where it's rooted. It feels inherently positive in that they're attempting to help people get better & connect with nature, & not always for the big bucks it's seemingly connected with nowadays.
I like the idea of being your own Shaman, but if I had the money for flights & was going to take Ayahuasca, I'd dig doing it with someone who has lived with it & used it their entire life. Ritualistic & guided trips can have profound effects from experience.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: iceNock]
#28388960 - 07/08/23 03:20 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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iceNock said: Hey guys I was wondering if you buy a special kind of swab that's already sterile to take swabs or how you guys go about it? I only use a SAB and have some swab only genetics I want to save and share at some point.
Here's how I take prints that are cleaner than swabs, and no need to buy swabs: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28388546#28388546 ---
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stockw said: Currently reading that Graham Hancock book 'Supernatural'....
Hancock believes a lot of horse shit and presents it as fact. I'm not even talking about the spiritual side, but his revisionist history that goes counter to DNA and archaeological evidence.
Here's a really solid archaeologist debunking him point by point quite well:
Here's another:
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stockw said: I think we can all agree that it's fairly bogus & abhorrent when a middle aged whitey from the burbs decides to call themselves a Shaman ....
One of my favorite things is the Hamilton Morris video where he's speaking at a toad venom seminar, and making the (very good) case for using synthetic version instead of harassing toads to get it.
Some hippie stands up and argues that the synthetic is counter to the importance of the ancient indigenous toad ritual, and we have to respect that ritual.
Except that toad venom as a drug was discovered in the 1980s by a white guy in Texas.
All shamen (including history shamen like Graham) are scammers, whether they're scamming themselves or just their students, and whether they grew up in a shack in the jungle or in a condo in Santa Barbara.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 1
#28388967 - 07/08/23 03:54 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Yeah that's cool, I'm not referencing any of that stuff though & not looking to debate whether Hancock's historical research is bollocks either. I find the topic tedious. Just relaying an excerpt related to Psychedelics.
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nektar61 said: All shamen (including history shamen like Graham) are scammers, whether they're scamming themselves or just their students, and whether they grew up in a shack in the jungle or in a condo in Santa Barbara.
Lol, looks like your mind is made up my man.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stockw]
#28388971 - 07/08/23 04:04 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Plenty of people in mental institutions have a foot, or three, in the spirit realm. Could they have been shamans if they were born in a different place at a different time? Maybe. Depends.
To be honest I don't know much about what's going on with the modern local South American shamans and how the drug tourism has affected them. You are also zeroing in on the drug consumption part of it, which is skewing the whole thing. A shaman was not just a trip sitter, which is kind of what this whole drug tourism thing has turned them to. Essentially babysitting a bunch of rich foreigners while they puke their guts out and try to unfuck themselves from whatever problems they have.
Anyway, those guys are more Ayahuasqueros/Curanderos than "generic" shamans. Plenty of cultures without psychedelics had shamans, and they managed just as fine to talk to demons and roll on the floor in a hypermanic state. One of those guys rolls up to your door one day mumbling to himself, covered in ticks and leaches, asks for a plate of food you bet your ass you are giving him the food lol. You don't want the shaman to be angry at you, now do you?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78] 3
#28389236 - 07/08/23 11:05 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Damn this thread is full of trains piled up sideways..
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