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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro] 1
#28386883 - 07/06/23 09:05 AM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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tedoro said: I'm getting cracker dry at 12hr. My problem is that sometimes that 12 ends while I'm sleeping. I'm finding my fruit (golden teacher) to darken when I over dry... like 24hrs.
I just realized I could use an old school timer, with the half hour pull cogs. have it run the 12, then kick on every third increment to keep it dry but not over dried.
Or a light bulb in the bucket, on always.
I'm not supposed to give any advice here but will just say that the dehydrator manufacturer states in the manual that the fruit darkens when a higher temp is used. So if you're drying lemon slices you will keep the nice color if you dry them at eg 40 C. If you crank it up they'll darken. Guess it's the same for mushies. I haven't seen anyone here worrying about it. Most say they crank it up to 160 or even more and leave it for 24h to make sure they're cracker dry.
If you're using this bucket dehydrator with a bunch of fruit (4+ fuckin kilos man) in it maybe erring on the safe side and leaving it for 24 h would make sense. Fuck the color if they work. Because when you say they start taking on water I'm wondering if that large mass was thoroughly dried after 12 h. My lack of experience prevents me to say anything with regards to this, I've only so far dried small amounts in a store bought dehydrator. Maybe the others will have a better idea when it comes to drying large amounts in a bucket dehydrator and if 12 h is enough for this.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker] 2
#28386898 - 07/06/23 09:29 AM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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HEEEELP! Shoebox Grow
Hi everyone
First time doing shoeboxes. Dubbtubed. Second flush coming in on the second box (only have two)
Something is going sideways, at least it seems so. I'm not sure where I'm fucking up. The stems are thin at the bottom and wide at the top. They have some "striation" and the caps seem to be reluctant to open. I expected them to open yesterday but it's been kind od slow going. I see the fuzzy feet and the fuzz going up the stipe. SirPsycho and Nektar warned me on the first box that not enough FAE is happening so on this box I moved the upper box to the side a bit so I have a 1mm aperture for more FAE but now I'm not sure if that helped at all.
I have sprayed with the mister very lightly because I saw the surface not having almost any beads and I couldn't avoid the fruits while spraying. Now I see some moisture blotches on two caps

What is going on here people? Is it too much FAE, too less FAE, too much misting, not enough misting? I see lots of little shroomies coming and would like to salvage if possible.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#28387028 - 07/06/23 11:32 AM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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tedoro said: I'm getting cracker dry at 12hr. My problem is that sometimes that 12 ends while I'm sleeping. I'm finding my fruit (golden teacher) to darken when I over dry... like 24hrs.
A largish harvest, dehydrated at that temp for 12 hours may seem cracker dry but likely isn't. As A.k.a mentioned, you can weigh the fruits a couple of times until they get to the point where no more weight is being lost, to be on the safe side. You can't really dry them too long. You can though not dry them for long enough and find that they go bendy again in a while. This is why there is pretty much a general consensus now around here, after testing and writeups by some of the TC's especially, on drying at around 160F for 24 hours, or on lower temps for a longer period of time. As drVetker mentions, the darkening isn't much of an issue, except aesthetically.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker]
#28387191 - 07/06/23 02:07 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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drVetker said: HEEEELP! Shoebox Grow
Hi everyone
First time doing shoeboxes. Dubbtubed. Second flush coming in on the second box (only have two)
Something is going sideways, at least it seems so. I'm not sure where I'm fucking up. The stems are thin at the bottom and wide at the top. They have some "striation" and the caps seem to be reluctant to open. I expected them to open yesterday but it's been kind od slow going. I see the fuzzy feet and the fuzz going up the stipe. SirPsycho and Nektar warned me on the first box that not enough FAE is happening so on this box I moved the upper box to the side a bit so I have a 1mm aperture for more FAE but now I'm not sure if that helped at all.
Is that the next flush from the B+ where I thought not enough FAE but AKA corrected me and said it's genetic?
Fuzzy feet can be lack of FAE but can also be genetic. They're no problem if latter. And no problem to eat if former or latter. It's just mycelium.
My guess based on the stipes (stems) looking not just tall but looking leathery (like shrooms that have already been dried) this grow is too dry. (I see water drops on the back right and left, but I think it's between the clear liner and the shoebox, not where it needs to be in the grow.)
If you haven't been misting, I'd mist. Don't over do it. Do a little today, and a little tomorrow.
Did you get your sub / spawn to field capacity?
When you make up the boxes, put on a rubber glove and squeeze a handful of the spawn / coir / verm mix. Should be a bunch of drops of water coming out, but not steady stream.
Steady stream, add verm.
Just a few drops, add water.
I also put a quarter inch of verm (pseudo casing) on top to hold in moisture and keep out contams. I mist that a bit too, even if bottom is at field capacity.
Don't worry, those little shrooms are going to grow. And those big ones will get you high. You can also harvest the tall ones now without waiting for them to open. Some people would. I just let mine open and splort spores because I like taking pix of open shrooms.
I welcome a second opinion here on the problem being these being too dry, since I've never seen this in my grows, but if anything I over water, not under water. (Because misting is fun.)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61]
#28387223 - 07/06/23 02:40 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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I also put a quarter inch of verm (pseudo casing) on top to hold in moisture and keep out contams. I mist that a bit too, even if bottom is at field capacity.
What has been your experience of what the difference between top layering with verm vs coir had been?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pandaskis]
#28387250 - 07/06/23 03:01 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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Just use the CVG you spawned your tub with.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pandaskis] 2
#28387251 - 07/06/23 03:01 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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I also put a quarter inch of verm (pseudo casing) on top to hold in moisture and keep out contams. I mist that a bit too, even if bottom is at field capacity.
What has been your experience of what the difference between top layering with verm vs coir had been?
I've never top layered with coir. Just verm. But with verm, better, less dry grows that are more self-regulating than no verm on top.
I usually use fine verm if I have it, but I've had same results with medium verm.
To be clear "I mist that a bit too" I mean when I make up the box. Sometimes I mist later, but usually only in hottest part of summer, or in winter when I run a heater in the shroom closet. 16 quart tub with what I'm describing:

16 quart tub grown:

Shoebox of it shortly before pinning:
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61]
#28387296 - 07/06/23 03:33 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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drVetker said: HEEEELP! Shoebox Grow
... Something is going sideways, The stems are thin at the bottom and wide at the top. They have some "striation" and the caps seem to be reluctant to open. ... SirPsycho and Nektar warned me on the first box that not enough FAE is happening so on this box I moved the upper box to the side a bit so I have a 1mm aperture for more FAE but now I'm not sure if that helped at all.
Is that the next flush from the B+ where I thought not enough FAE but AKA corrected me and said it's genetic?
No. I asked about fuzzy feet didn't mention the strain, sirPsycho said it can be genetic but it could be low FAE if they go pretty far up the stipe.
Fuzzy feet can be lack of FAE but can also be genetic. They're no problem if latter. And no problem to eat if former or latter. It's just mycelium.
My guess based on the stipes (stems) looking not just tall but looking leathery (like shrooms that have already been dried) this grow is too dry. (I see water drops on the back right and left, but I think it's between the clear liner and the shoebox, not where it needs to be in the grow.)
... Did you get your sub / spawn to field capacity?
I did. Used Stipe's video. It seemd fine. As described. This is the second flush on this box. After the first one I bottom watered with 170 ml of water for 24 hours and poured off the excess. This was based on the recommendations from Mushboy in his thread on shoeboxes (time wasn't mentioned for bottom watering by him)
I also put a quarter inch of verm (pseudo casing) on top to hold in moisture and keep out contams. I mist that a bit too, even if bottom is at field capacity.
I had a pseudocasing layer of about 1 cm from the left over sub.
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I welcome a second opinion here on the problem being these being too dry, since I've never seen this in my grows, but if anything I over water, not under water. (Because misting is fun.)
thank you Kat for taking a look and giving your opinion. I will check the sub a bit on the sides to see if it feels dry. I'm wondering if it is in fact dryness causing this because the first box was bottom watered the same way and I just took off the second flush and felt the sub at the sides and towards the bottom when I was taking off some side pins and noticed how wet and above the field capacity it is and decided not to bottom water that box again. How the hell is this one dry if they both were watered the same way is beyond me.
If anyone else has any ideas please post them. At this point of trying to spot the mistakes and learn what different changes indicate good advice goes a long way.
Thank you all for supporting much so far. I managed to bank 46,7 g dry so far from these two 5 liter boxes each based on one quart bottle of grain spawn. Which is much more than I expected for my first grow.
Edit: I checked the sub. Seems fairly moist. Not overly so, like it did in the first box. Doesn't seen dry AT ALL.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker]
#28387425 - 07/06/23 05:34 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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 I checked the sub. Seems fairly moist. Not overly so, like it did in the first box. Doesn't seen dry AT ALL.
No idea then. I've never seen pix of shrooms that look dry while growing. Anyone else know?
Those aren't the B+ I commented on a couple weeks ago are they? What variety are they?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61]
#28387447 - 07/06/23 05:59 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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 I checked the sub. Seems fairly moist. Not overly so, like it did in the first box. Doesn't seen dry AT ALL.
No idea then. I've never seen pix of shrooms that look dry while growing. Anyone else know?
Those aren't the B+ I commented on a couple weeks ago are they? What variety are they?
They are not the B+ you commented on. This is Cubensis Hawaii (PES)
Now when I checked them out closely the smaller pins that looked so promising even today morning are looking like they are aborting. The caps are darkening and the stipe near the cap is shrinking. So same as the larger fruit. It looks like the whole thing is aborting for some bloody reason.
Thank you anyway Kat.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker]
#28387457 - 07/06/23 06:07 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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 I checked the sub. Seems fairly moist. Not overly so, like it did in the first box. Doesn't seen dry AT ALL.
No idea then. I've never seen pix of shrooms that look dry while growing. Anyone else know?
Those aren't the B+ I commented on a couple weeks ago are they? What variety are they?
They are not the B+ you commented on. This is Cubensis Hawaii (PES)
Now when I checked them out closely the smaller pins that looked so promising even today morning are looking like they are aborting. The caps are darkening and the stipe near the cap is shrinking. So same as the larger fruit. It looks like the whole thing is aborting for some bloody reason.
Thank you anyway Kat.
No idea. Maybe genetic? Ask the person you got the spores from.
I'm intrigued that no one else is commenting on this. Maybe it's something NO ONE has seen, not just me.
I'd guess not hidden contam, that usually makes shrooms drop spores early, in a last-ditch hail-Mary effort to get some spores out there.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61]
#28387476 - 07/06/23 06:17 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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 I checked the sub. Seems fairly moist. Not overly so, like it did in the first box. Doesn't seen dry AT ALL.
No idea then. I've never seen pix of shrooms that look dry while growing. Anyone else know?
Those aren't the B+ I commented on a couple weeks ago are they? What variety are they?
They are not the B+ you commented on. This is Cubensis Hawaii (PES)
Now when I checked them out closely the smaller pins that looked so promising even today morning are looking like they are aborting. The caps are darkening and the stipe near the cap is shrinking. So same as the larger fruit. It looks like the whole thing is aborting for some bloody reason.
Thank you anyway Kat.
No idea. Maybe genetic? Ask the person you got the spores from.
I'm intrigued that no one else is commenting on this. Maybe it's something NO ONE has seen, not just me.
I'd guess not hidden contam, that usually makes shrooms drop spores early, in a last-ditch hail-Mary effort to get some spores out there.
For the sake of discussion on if it is genetic or not, this is the image of the 2nd flush of the 1st box, both boxes were with grain spawn knocked up from a single petri plate, t4. So I'm assuming same dykariotic myc in both boxes.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61]
#28387479 - 07/06/23 06:19 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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Dry casing, wet sub?
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#28387506 - 07/06/23 06:36 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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YoshiTrainer said: Dry casing, wet sub?
Fuck man, I kept the surface moist and misted as soon as most droplets evaporated.
But of course having lack of experience it might be that the surface was drying out more than my misting compensated for.
Could it really be that? Dry surface moist sub.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61]
#28387512 - 07/06/23 06:42 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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I'm intrigued that no one else is commenting on this. Maybe it's something NO ONE has seen, not just me.
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Maybe because it's neither about Joe Rogan nor Jordan Peterson
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker] 1
#28387515 - 07/06/23 06:45 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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drVetker said: So I'm assuming same dykariotic myc in both boxes. [/url]
"dykariotic myc" is not something anyone needs to know to grow shrooms. No reason not to know it, but I don't understand why it's being mentioned in this context.
I'm wondering if it's wet surface dry sub.
I never bottom water. When I go from one flush to the next I mist heavily for about 3 days.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker]
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I'm intrigued that no one else is commenting on this. Maybe it's something NO ONE has seen, not just me.
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Maybe because it's neither about Joe Rogan nor Jordan Peterson 
Post your pix on this thread and specifically ask for feedback: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21171549/fpart/6876 it has a lot more traffic. Might get an answer there.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61]
#28387526 - 07/06/23 06:52 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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drVetker said: So I'm assuming same dykariotic myc in both boxes. [/url]
"dykariotic myc" is not something anyone needs to know to grow shrooms. No reason not to know it, but I don't understand why it's being mentioned in this context.
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The only reason I mentioned dykariotic myc and maybe used the term incorrectly is because you were wondering if it might be genetics. I thought I have the same genetics in both boxes because both grain spawn bottles used for each box were inoculated by the same agar plate slices. Since it was a T4 plate I'm assuming (big assumption for my level of knowledge I know) that by the time we come to a T4 if we have taken only small pieces of the running edge for transfers that we would have isolated a single dykariotic myc. Thus both boxes would have same genetics and I provided a photo of the 1st box 2nd flush that doesn't look nearly as manky as this one in the 2nd box 2nd flush.
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I'm intrigued that no one else is commenting on this. Maybe it's something NO ONE has seen, not just me.
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Maybe because it's neither about Joe Rogan nor Jordan Peterson 
Post your pix on this thread and specifically ask for feedback: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21171549/fpart/6876 it has a lot more traffic. Might get an answer there.
Ok I will try. Thank you
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: johnukguy] 1
#28388350 - 07/07/23 12:18 PM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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A.k.a said: It’s the weird mixture of having lots of bulk growers and rich middle age white women who think they’re shamans now that shrooms are trendy.
Oh God, yes, so many 'plastic shamans'. All it takes is a trip to Peru for a few months, often not even that. I even came across someone who swears that she's a shaman because she took a six week, online course. It would be laughable if it weren't so...actually it's just laughable.
You know, I always laugh when these people say they are shamans. You don't want to be a shaman. Go read what those crusty old anthropologists wrote about the shamans. Not a fun life, you gotta be just the right amount of batshit insane. Not too much, not too little, just enough so people tolerate your madness. And then you have to deal with every other person asking you to put a curse on their neighbor or heal their dying family member.
I also wonder why none of these self proclaimed shamans ever take a massive dose of oh I don't know Datura or Belladona and emerge out of the forest a month later covered in ticks and lice.
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