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Smellyhobbit
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] 1
#28381351 - 07/01/23 12:14 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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Don’t worry, fellas. I’ll stroke your wiener for you or whatever the metaphor is for not being an asshole.
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] 2
#28381369 - 07/01/23 12:27 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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A.k.a said: I gotta say I’m pretty impressed with the colonization of live grains without everything getting covered in mold. 
Definitely an accomplishment of sorts.
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nektar61
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SirPsycho]
#28381395 - 07/01/23 01:07 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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MushLoveMyCo said: This is what "moldy" jars of Jedi Mind Fuck Red Winter Wheat looks like when "mold" spawned to bulk CVG 1:3 blend Pretty sad some of you old heads think you know everything and that's where you go wrong. Remember to be humble and vulnerable...
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SirPsycho said: All this gatekeeping. Did you guys even consider that he MEANT to grow grass and mold?
Maybe he's working on this team: Understanding and Reducing Mold Growth in Hay (University of Manitoba)
MushLoveMyCo: I posted stuff like that early on here. Well, not quite that bad, but same idea. Then I learned the basics of growing.
To paraphrase a person I don't recall but sums up the ONLY real goal of this site "It doesn't matter if I like you. It only matters that your spawn is clean.
Throw out that grow. If you eat shrooms from that it might make you sick. Start over and learn proper tek. There are several variants of basic tek here, and more that will be published, but none involve mold.
Read all of my sigline article "NEW? Start here."
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Edited by nektar61 (07/01/23 01:17 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 4
#28381430 - 07/01/23 01:55 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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This process is beyond simple, and therefore pretty humble in scope and application. We culture mycelium free of contaminants by employing agar as a medium:
1. To germinate spores; to encourage the growth of contaminants with the intention of transferring pure culture away from contamination.
2. Pure culture is transferred to sterile grain to produce spawn.
3. Spawn is introduced to bulk substrate to initiate fruiting.
There's absolutely no room for a wookery of the gaps. Every step is known, every step requires complete sterility to begin with, then we introduce axenic/pure monoculture for the rest of the process.
No mysteries, nothing left to emotional interpretation. Sure, you can get away with using different methods but none of those methods include non sterile media. Producing spawn which sprouts grass is definitely not a sterile and therefore dead environment.
There's no hubris or egotistical claim being made here, this is basic microbiology. We need not adopt vulnerability or false humility to recognize basic culturing techniques. Making that claim is irrational at best.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 2
#28381496 - 07/01/23 03:04 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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Stipe-n Cap said: This process is beyond simple, and therefore pretty humble in scope and application...
1. To germinate spores; to encourage the growth of contaminants with the intention of transferring pure culture away from contamination.
2. Pure culture is transferred to sterile grain to produce spawn.
3. Spawn is introduced to bulk substrate to initiate fruiting.
You can even learn one at a time, and buy supplies for one at a time. I recommend that, if it seems overwhelming to learn and/or buy all at once.
Learn agar, do it until you get clean spawn.
THEN shop for / learn jars / PCing grain, growing clean spawn.
Then shop for / learn coir-verm-shoeboxes.
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Edited by nektar61 (07/01/23 03:11 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61]
#28381505 - 07/01/23 03:13 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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Noob question lol, I've read I can use just coco as my substrate, is that going to be enough for the Golden teachers? Also, after inoculations I'm sure I'll have solution left in the syringe, it's it ok to save the rest for the soon future? Of course torching the needle before, but I was curious if the spores would hold up ok? Thanks
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CarlBrut3] 2
#28381507 - 07/01/23 03:14 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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Yes and yes
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CarlBrut3]
#28381511 - 07/01/23 03:18 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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CarlBrut3 said: Noob question lol, I've read I can use just coco as my substrate, is that going to be enough for the Golden teachers? Also, after inoculations I'm sure I'll have solution left in the syringe, it's it ok to save the rest for the soon future? Of course torching the needle before, but I was curious if the spores would hold up ok? Thanks
Yes, but some coir has added trich contam (helps plants, ruins shroom grows). Search coir on this page: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=27646632&page=0&vc=1#27646632
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johnukguy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CarlBrut3]
#28381598 - 07/01/23 04:56 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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CarlBrut3 said: Noob question lol, I've read I can use just coco as my substrate, is that going to be enough for the Golden teachers? Also, after inoculations I'm sure I'll have solution left in the syringe, it's it ok to save the rest for the soon future? Of course torching the needle before, but I was curious if the spores would hold up ok? Thanks
If you shoot spores straight to grain, then you're more likely to end up with contamination. I would recommend that you either do PF Tek with spore syringes, or learn to make agar. Scroll up a bit and see what Stipe-n Cap wrote about a good process for cultivation and using agar.
-------------------- How to post pictures to shroomery TEK Shroomery Trusted Cultivator And Member YouTube Channels. “Evey Hammond: Who are you? V: Who? Who is but the form following the function of what and what I am is a man in a mask. Evey Hammond: Well I can see that. V: Of course you can. I'm not questioning your powers of observation I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is”
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 2
#28381607 - 07/01/23 05:04 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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Stipe-n Cap said: Your grow sucks. This isn't a place of compassion, empathy, perineum sunning, crystals, voodoo, or pandering to the weak of mind. Sure, some of you are hippies and that's great but the growing of fungi has nothing to do with how tightly your mothers apron strings cut off all blood to your testicles.
Subjective emotions have nothing to do with cultivation; if your spawn is objectively contaminated, then stop crying about it with walls of text. We're not here to pat you on the bottom...
'Idiot compassion … refers to something we all do a lot of and call it compassion. In some ways, it’s what’s called enabling. It’s the general tendency to give people what they want because you can’t bear to see them suffering. Basically, you’re not giving them what they need. You’re trying to get away from your feeling of I can’t bear to see them suffering. In other words, you’re doing it for yourself. You’re not really doing it for them.'
Pema Chodron from 'Idiot Compassion'
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: johnukguy] 2
#28381631 - 07/01/23 05:16 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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rumfor69
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28381690 - 07/01/23 06:15 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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Does anyone know a good source or company in USA to buy filters for flowhoods? Preferably ULPA
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rumfor69] 2
#28382345 - 07/02/23 09:51 AM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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I liked this
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To paraphrase a person I don't recall but sums up the ONLY real goal of this site "It doesn't matter if I like you. It only matters that your spawn is clean.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smoothcat] 2
#28382355 - 07/02/23 09:57 AM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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That's Crons signature.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28382365 - 07/02/23 10:04 AM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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Oh yeah!!
Not seen Cron in ages
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YoshiTrainer
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smoothcat]
#28382472 - 07/02/23 11:31 AM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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Smoothcat said: I liked this
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To paraphrase a person I don't recall but sums up the ONLY real goal of this site "It doesn't matter if I like you. It only matters that your spawn is clean.
Would 'It doesn't matter how you get there, it only matters that your spawn is clean' also be acceptable?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#28382477 - 07/02/23 11:36 AM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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YoshiTrainer said:
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Smoothcat said: I liked this
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To paraphrase a person I don't recall but sums up the ONLY real goal of this site "It doesn't matter if I like you. It only matters that your spawn is clean.
Would 'It doesn't matter how you get there, it only matters that your spawn is clean' also be acceptable?
Not really. That encourages noobs to ignore proven teks and lose 9 months of fucking around growing bacteria like I did.
If you want to be inventive here, learn the proper teks, get good at them, the innovate from there.
Salvador Dali learned to paint the human form well before he got hallucinatory and created his own style.
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Edited by nektar61 (07/02/23 11:46 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 1
#28382478 - 07/02/23 11:37 AM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado] 5
#28382566 - 07/02/23 12:39 PM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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There’s definitely some value in fucking up though. When I started out I did 90% of my stuff by the books and then the other 10% was trying other shit just to try it. Having a bunch of dirty or slightly messed up grows helped me learn to ID problems with mycelium way faster.
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] 4
#28382570 - 07/02/23 12:40 PM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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Failure has been my best teacher, hands down.
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If only the fool would persist in his folly he would become wise.
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