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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tri-Polar] 1
#28375500 - 06/26/23 03:59 PM (7 months, 8 hours ago) |
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nektar61 said: Especially since often the day after a rain it's so humid that there is NO evaporation going on.
Wait isn't the reason its humid after rain because of all the evaporation?
Yes.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pickle Rick]
#28376015 - 06/27/23 01:25 AM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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bumping this questions again and I have an additional one:
shook up a bag that seems to be having some trouble recovering. there are no metabolites or any other direct signs of contam barring the slow/stalled recovery. same question applies - should it be top fruited/shoeboxed or are there better options (ex. sending it to bulk anyways)?
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I have a bag that is obviously stressed, quite possibly bacterial. Lots of metabolites (yellow liquid) in the bottom of the bag (with some broken up grainspawn drowned in it). I'm thinking it has good chances to contaminate in a 5:1 monotub and the best bet is top fruiting or splitting the bag into a shoebox. it'll end up less than 1:1 as my bag is 3.5 liters and my shoebox is 6.
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Which of these is the best option and is there a better one that I havent covered? Should I pour out the metabolite liquid first?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pickle Rick]
#28376043 - 06/27/23 02:12 AM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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When a spawn bag looks like that I’ve never been able to get anything from it personally, but I’d say top fruit if anything as it most likely won’t recover again if you try breaking it up to spawn in a shoebox or bag. Try to save it anyway, that way you’ll know for future reference if it’s worth the effort.
And from what I know of metabolites they’re there to fight the contam so maybe keep them, someone will def correct me if I’m off the mark there though.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 3.A.M]
#28376250 - 06/27/23 08:40 AM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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3.A.M said:
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nektar61 said: Especially since often the day after a rain it's so humid that there is NO evaporation going on.
Wait isn't the reason its humid after rain because of all the evaporation?
Yes.
I stated a separate thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28376288/vc/1#28376288
tl/dr, "evaporation triggers pinning" is from 21 years ago here and was associated with PF Tek, fanning grows several times a day, and using air pumps to provide evaporation in tubs.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 3
#28376442 - 06/27/23 11:20 AM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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update:
I did both... dub tub'd a shoebox with half the bag and top fruited the other half. will update results
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 1
#28379368 - 06/29/23 06:27 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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This is what "moldy" jars of Jedi Mind Fuck Red Winter Wheat looks like when "mold" spawned to bulk CVG 1:3 blend Pretty sad some of you old heads think you know everything and that's where you go wrong. Remember to be humble and vulnerable as it is the only time we grow. Now based upon how many of you actually believe what you say to be true, this will be the last post that you sour patch kids have to see, first their sweet then their sour , it's typical of unconscious humans creating by default so i don't hold it against you. I am first to admit when i make a mistake as i have asked this community before, but i follow my instinct not someone else's perspective based upon their life experience. I'm always learning, you all are too. Only difference is i don't doubt my capabilities or my instinct so when i say its sprouts of colonized grain spawn well.....it is. Here is how it looks lacking contamination or mold of any sort, only mycelium colonizing wheat grain as it does in nature. First time i spaced while boiling, grains nearly reached bursting but i pulled em and let them cool off, Thinking it was a close call i dried on a towel, went to 20+ jars, knocked up with grain to grain on some and agar wedges on remaining then into incubation. 1 week later after realizing my mistake with overhydration i came to the conclusion i would thicken up the bulk sub to provide extra hydration to the sprouts and not deprive the myc. After going 2 weeks i pulled them with fuzz up to the rim of the jar, bulk spawned after removing the root system that formed from the wheat sprouts as a net at the bottom of each jar. Anything with a root or stalk i removed, but 24hrs post spawn i saw more sprouts in the bulk sub i just made. Rolled with it & I couldn't be happier with the colonization taking place in over a dozen buckets now, all happening under 9 inches of wheat grass stalks. Not 1 jar or bucket with a questionable spot, smell, look, or symptoms of any kind that would relate to contamination or mold. LoL a lot of you think you know, but you have no idea. Why grow wheat grass sprouts and cultivate mushrooms in the same place.......why the fuck not, have you? Now here i am staring at pins forming on the surface of my bulk sub with dew covered sprouts producing a microclimate that provides everything conducive for mushrooms to thrive.

Here is some plates i've worked as well, T4 & T5 sent to grain with proper hydration of course.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MushLoveMyCo] 5
#28379389 - 06/29/23 06:39 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushhead] 6
#28379409 - 06/29/23 06:55 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Grass with mushrooms? How innovative...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MushLoveMyCo] 6
#28379412 - 06/29/23 06:56 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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MushLoveMyCo said: This is what "moldy" jars of Jedi Mind Fuck Red Winter Wheat looks like when "mold" spawned to bulk CVG 1:3 blend Pretty sad some of you old heads think you know everything and that's where you go wrong. Remember to be humble and vulnerable as it is the only time we grow. Now based upon how many of you actually believe what you say to be true, this will be the last post that you sour patch kids have to see, first their sweet then their sour , it's typical of unconscious humans creating by default so i don't hold it against you. I am first to admit when i make a mistake as i have asked this community before, but i follow my instinct not someone else's perspective based upon their life experience.
LoL a lot of you think you know, but you have no idea. Why grow wheat grass sprouts and cultivate mushrooms in the same place.......why the fuck not, have you? Now here i am staring at pins forming on the surface of my bulk sub with dew covered sprouts producing a microclimate that provides everything conducive for mushrooms to thrive.
There are no pins in any of those pictures...
I think you missed the entire point of your OWN post when it turned into self righteous dribble. You should eat a slice of that humble pie you seem to be claiming every one else so desperately needs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tholos] 6
#28379420 - 06/29/23 07:03 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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tholos said:
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MushLoveMyCo said: This is what "moldy" jars of Jedi Mind Fuck Red Winter Wheat looks like when "mold" spawned to bulk CVG 1:3 blend Pretty sad some of you old heads think you know everything and that's where you go wrong. Remember to be humble and vulnerable as it is the only time we grow. Now based upon how many of you actually believe what you say to be true, this will be the last post that you sour patch kids have to see, first their sweet then their sour , it's typical of unconscious humans creating by default so i don't hold it against you. I am first to admit when i make a mistake as i have asked this community before, but i follow my instinct not someone else's perspective based upon their life experience.
LoL a lot of you think you know, but you have no idea. Why grow wheat grass sprouts and cultivate mushrooms in the same place.......why the fuck not, have you? Now here i am staring at pins forming on the surface of my bulk sub with dew covered sprouts producing a microclimate that provides everything conducive for mushrooms to thrive.
There are no pins in any of those pictures...
I think you missed the entire point of your OWN post when it turned into self righteous dribble. You should eat a slice of that humble pie you seem to be claiming every one else so desperately needs
You want pins? I got pins

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MushLoveMyCo] 6
#28379438 - 06/29/23 07:19 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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MushLoveMyCo said: This is what "moldy" jars of Jedi Mind Fuck Red Winter Wheat looks like when "mold" spawned to bulk CVG 1:3 blend Pretty sad some of you old heads think you know everything and that's where you go wrong. Remember to be humble and vulnerable as it is the only time we grow. Now based upon how many of you actually believe what you say to be true, this will be the last post that you sour patch kids have to see, first their sweet then their sour , it's typical of unconscious humans creating by default so i don't hold it against you. I am first to admit when i make a mistake as i have asked this community before, but i follow my instinct not someone else's perspective based upon their life experience. I'm always learning, you all are too. Only difference is i don't doubt my capabilities or my instinct so when i say its sprouts of colonized grain spawn well.....it is. Here is how it looks lacking contamination or mold of any sort, only mycelium colonizing wheat grain as it does in nature. First time i spaced while boiling, grains nearly reached bursting but i pulled em and let them cool off, Thinking it was a close call i dried on a towel, went to 20+ jars, knocked up with grain to grain on some and agar wedges on remaining then into incubation. 1 week later after realizing my mistake with overhydration i came to the conclusion i would thicken up the bulk sub to provide extra hydration to the sprouts and not deprive the myc. After going 2 weeks i pulled them with fuzz up to the rim of the jar, bulk spawned after removing the root system that formed from the wheat sprouts as a net at the bottom of each jar. Anything with a root or stalk i removed, but 24hrs post spawn i saw more sprouts in the bulk sub i just made. Rolled with it & I couldn't be happier with the colonization taking place in over a dozen buckets now, all happening under 9 inches of wheat grass stalks. Not 1 jar or bucket with a questionable spot, smell, look, or symptoms of any kind that would relate to contamination or mold. LoL a lot of you think you know, but you have no idea. Why grow wheat grass sprouts and cultivate mushrooms in the same place.......why the fuck not, have you? Now here i am staring at pins forming on the surface of my bulk sub with dew covered sprouts producing a microclimate that provides everything conducive for mushrooms to thrive.

Here is some plates i've worked as well, T4 & T5 sent to grain with proper hydration of course.

Oh and thank you for your service as an infantryman. I will always be a grunt as well, benning shit me out into the world a better man. As a better man i pick people up, what better choice do we have?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MushLoveMyCo] 5
#28379667 - 06/30/23 12:42 AM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: johnukguy] 2
#28379775 - 06/30/23 05:27 AM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: johnukguy] 3
#28379888 - 06/30/23 07:49 AM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
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ego vomit. it's everywhere, I got some on my hands, a little went on my face, it was just a mess.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
#28380206 - 06/30/23 01:26 PM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
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I noticed the same lack of discussion. Maybe cuz its so common in the wild?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: zxdmtte4] 1
#28380272 - 06/30/23 02:54 PM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
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Edited by Mycolorado (06/30/23 03:04 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado] 1
#28380529 - 06/30/23 06:50 PM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
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"Fuzzy" Fruit bases question
Hi everyone,
First time doing shoeboxes. Dubtubed.
Do the fuzzy fruit bases indicate something in the environment conditions might be lacking or is this normal?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker] 4
#28380534 - 06/30/23 06:53 PM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
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Low FAE, which will also cause elongated stipes and small caps.
Sometimes is just genetic though, I've had fuzzy feet just like yours in outdoor grows with textbook shaped fruit. With low FAE the fuzz usually grows quite far up the stipe
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SirPsycho] 1
#28380548 - 06/30/23 07:04 PM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
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SirPsycho said: Low FAE, which will also cause elongated stipes and small caps.
Sometimes is just genetic though, I've had fuzzy feet just like yours in outdoor grows with textbook shaped fruit. With low FAE the fuzz usually grows quite far up the stipe
What he said^
Fuzzy feet is mycelium, which has MAOIs. Not much, but I wonder if it's not a bad thing for that reason.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SirPsycho]
#28380604 - 06/30/23 07:49 PM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
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SirPsycho said: Low FAE, which will also cause elongated stipes and small caps.
Sometimes is just genetic though, I've had fuzzy feet just like yours in outdoor grows with textbook shaped fruit. With low FAE the fuzz usually grows quite far up the stipe
Thank you both. Going by my limited experience the fruit seemed normal in size (this is the second flush). Didn't extend to the top(bottom really) of the dubtubbed box.
I'll try to do a 1mm aperture by shifting the top box a bit for the third flush on one of the two boxes and leave the second as is, just to experiment a bit.
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