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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker] 1
#28372947 - 06/24/23 03:40 PM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
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which sides were facing the window?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hazyhorse]
#28372984 - 06/24/23 04:01 PM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
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Is the stopcock swap from the "How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc to a sterilizer for under $30" thread still considered to be a major improvement to the regulator weight?
Opcaa65 seems to be out of stock with no eta on a restock. I'll probably just have to keep my eye out for the parts to restock to try it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hazyhorse] 1
#28373151 - 06/24/23 05:55 PM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
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hazyhorse said: which sides were facing the window?
That's a good question. I moved them many times to open the window, close the window, then I paused them in the fridge for 2 weeks while I was away. Then I put them back. So fuck me if I know, but it is true that it had to be one side more of the time than the other. Just by the nature of putting it to the side and then back on the sill. When it started pinning I turned the side with more pins to the window so they are hidden from view from the outside by the flower pot.
Do you think it's the light?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker]
#28373440 - 06/24/23 09:56 PM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
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honestly no idea if it’s the light or not, just something that crossed my mind. hard to say since it wasn’t consistent but
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hazyhorse]
#28373891 - 06/25/23 09:16 AM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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hazyhorse said: honestly no idea if it’s the light or not, just something that crossed my mind. hard to say since it wasn’t consistent but 
I get it, thanks anyway. When the first box showed this tendency to mostly fill out one side I thought it has to be me fucking up surface conditions and getting an uneven pinset, but when I saw the same on the other box I thought something more interesting might be going on here. But I guess it's anybody's guess.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker]
#28374494 - 06/25/23 07:31 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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drVetker said: SHOEBOX Uneven Pinset Question
Hi everyone First time doing shoeboxes. Have 2 Both just gave a first flush, the pinset appeared mostly in one half of the box. More pronounced in the box in the following photos.
Any idea why is this happening? I'm trying to learn so this got me curious.
Both of them were on the window sill. Both covered with the box lid set loose on top without being latched since I spawned them. The lid was shifted maybe 1mm so that it doesn't sit flush with the lip of the box to facilitate FAE.
The surface conditions seemed to be equal all over the surface but I'm wondering if this could be a result of one side getting more FAE than the other. Is this possible?


Evaporation is a major factor for pinning. Id bet that side was getting more light or was the side with an opening in some way.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker] 2
#28374854 - 06/26/23 05:56 AM (7 months, 17 hours ago) |
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LtLurker said: Evaporation is a major factor for pinning....
I know that's been said here for a long time, came from a few TCs / OGs back when. I think RR may have been the first to say it, over a decade ago, based on old posts here.
But is anyone sure? Does anyone have evidence of Evaporation being a major factor for pinning? I've seen pinning whether or not evaporation is encouraged / allowed.
Also seen a lot of people say that without even questioning it, but has anyone here seen it for sure? I'm wondering if it's one of those things that gets repeated without proof.
Lt I'm not getting on you in specific about this, it's something I've been wondering in general for a long time. Would love some second, third, fourth opinions, made from observation.
As for that grow split down the middle, OP said "Both of them were on the window sill." could be one side got more warmth or light / air.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 1
#28374864 - 06/26/23 06:17 AM (7 months, 17 hours ago) |
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I would think "proof" would be very hard for that no? I mean, evaporation would occur simultaneously with FAE. Unless you could say, set up a tank to constantly spew CO2, such that evaporation occurs with a non aerobic environment, then you could start isolating for temperature differentials, evaporation, etc.
Seems overkill. Perhaps developing a pinset vs midfruit has different FAE requirements (I have no clue, I'm new to it) but regardless I think you'd just aim for consistent factors all around and develop around that.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 2
#28374872 - 06/26/23 06:32 AM (7 months, 16 hours ago) |
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I’ve been mushroom hunting for years and know that after a downpour it’s not truly worth hitting the paddocks until you’ve had almost a days worth of dry weather or better yet a good dose of intense sun. I mainly focus on growing pan cyans outdoors in season and I give them 7-10 days of watering, just enough that they’re damp and then a good day of sun and by the following morning I’ve got shrooms every time. I’d put that down to evaporation although I’m sure there’s other factors at play alongside that.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 3.A.M] 1
#28374874 - 06/26/23 06:39 AM (7 months, 16 hours ago) |
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3.A.M said: I’ve been mushroom hunting for years and know that after a downpour it’s not truly worth hitting the paddocks until you’ve had almost a days worth of dry weather or better yet a good dose of intense sun. I mainly focus on growing pan cyans outdoors in season and I give them 7-10 days of watering, just enough that they’re damp and then a good day of sun and by the following morning I’ve got shrooms every time. I’d put that down to evaporation although I’m sure there’s other factors at play alongside that.

Tell me more about this water schedule and what manner you're growing these pans in. I got a couple of flower pots with old bisporus cakes that never produced indoor and with any luck some cyans to bury soon
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SirPsycho] 3
#28374944 - 06/26/23 07:30 AM (7 months, 15 hours ago) |
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Sure man, I love me an outdoor grow and have the pans down pretty much pat. Find yourself a patch of ground that gets no more than 4-5hrs direct light or somewhere with dappled light is better, lay out a 1-2” layer of horse or cow manure, mixed with shredded straw is good and usually yields me larger fruits, spread your spawn over that then another layer of about 1” manure on top of that, basically a shit sandwich, I then water lightly every night, just enough to keep it damp, if it hasn’t been hot or windy then don’t water, easy to check if it’s necessary. Every spot in my yard is different and I’ve had maximum up to 6 different patches going, those where there’s other foliage around the patches causing a microclimate get bigger fruits but less, those with more direct sunlight get heavier pin sets but smaller chunkier fruits. If you’ve been watering for 7-10 days and get a hot day, don’t water for a couple days, you’ll see fruits, if you get rain in that time frame you’ll def get fruits after. In the following days water as usual but just get your tap to dribble and place it around the areas that have fruited but not so the pins will get wet, they will abort, I’ll get on average 4-6 days of harvests from each patch but in a season that adds up, main thing is figuring out what works best for your environment or “patch”. I now just buy bags of pasteurised cow manure for the shit sandwich these days from the local hardware, seem to get more fruits. And it’s also worth mentioning I’ve had 3 prolific patches grow just from burying suspicion agar, nothing else except for h/poo and shredded straw, pans love poo and the great outdoors! Sorry, I could babble about outdoor grows for hours
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 3.A.M] 1
#28375036 - 06/26/23 09:24 AM (7 months, 13 hours ago) |
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I have a bag that is obviously stressed, quite possibly bacterial. Lots of metabolites (yellow liquid) in the bottom of the bag (with some broken up grainspawn drowned in it). I'm thinking it has good chances to contaminate in a 5:1 monotub and the best bet is top fruiting or splitting the bag into a shoebox. it'll end up less than 1:1 as my bag is 3.5 liters and my shoebox is 6.
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Which of these is the best option and is there a better one that I havent covered? Should I pour out the metabolite liquid first?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 2
#28375039 - 06/26/23 09:26 AM (7 months, 13 hours ago) |
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It's anecdotal admittedly. I've been here a couple years now and seen and done alot of grows, there's alot of examples of people getting more pins with higher fae when they were low. Also look at Martha's. People run it at constant 90 but don't get results that people who let it drop a bit get, until they copy that. I cant think of another factor the examples I've seen could be exploiting that's tied to the same procedures.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pickle Rick]
#28375114 - 06/26/23 11:22 AM (7 months, 11 hours ago) |
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Take some out if you can't fit all of it in a shoebox. It's not the kind of spawn you should feel bad about tossing. Or do two shoeboxes, but that's already more potential waste and cleanup.
Not sure for the metabolites, but I remember reading that they are not just byproducts of fighting off the infection, they have antibiotic effects themselves. So maybe. keep them ?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 3.A.M]
#28375152 - 06/26/23 11:43 AM (7 months, 11 hours ago) |
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3.A.M said: Sure man, I love me an outdoor grow and have the pans down pretty much pat. Find yourself a patch of ground that gets no more than 4-5hrs direct light or somewhere with dappled light is better, lay out a 1-2” layer of horse or cow manure, mixed with shredded straw is good and usually yields me larger fruits, spread your spawn over that then another layer of about 1” manure on top of that, basically a shit sandwich, I then water lightly every night, just enough to keep it damp, if it hasn’t been hot or windy then don’t water, easy to check if it’s necessary. Every spot in my yard is different and I’ve had maximum up to 6 different patches going, those where there’s other foliage around the patches causing a microclimate get bigger fruits but less, those with more direct sunlight get heavier pin sets but smaller chunkier fruits. If you’ve been watering for 7-10 days and get a hot day, don’t water for a couple days, you’ll see fruits, if you get rain in that time frame you’ll def get fruits after. In the following days water as usual but just get your tap to dribble and place it around the areas that have fruited but not so the pins will get wet, they will abort, I’ll get on average 4-6 days of harvests from each patch but in a season that adds up, main thing is figuring out what works best for your environment or “patch”. I now just buy bags of pasteurised cow manure for the shit sandwich these days from the local hardware, seem to get more fruits. And it’s also worth mentioning I’ve had 3 prolific patches grow just from burying suspicion agar, nothing else except for h/poo and shredded straw, pans love poo and the great outdoors! Sorry, I could babble about outdoor grows for hours 
Very interesting, thanks for sharing man. I've got seemingly the perfect patch for Pans in my garden going from your info. I've been dumping normal gt spawn in there over the past few weeks, would it be an issue to also add Pans at this time?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 3.A.M] 1
#28375270 - 06/26/23 01:12 PM (7 months, 10 hours ago) |
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3.A.M said: I’ve been mushroom hunting for years and know that after a downpour it’s not truly worth hitting the paddocks until you’ve had almost a days worth of dry weather or better yet a good dose of intense sun. I mainly focus on growing pan cyans ....
So you're talking about picking wild pan cyans, not about picking wild Psilocybe cubensis, right? There are several differences in how those two grow.
I get what you're saying, but a different possible explanation for this could be "wild pans (or cubes if you mean cubes) grow a day after a rain if they don't get soaked again"... might not be evaporation. Could just be if they get soaked again, it's too much water, they don't grow until they're not soaking in water underground, until some of it drains (as opposed to evaporating).
Could be that they don't fruit if it's still raining because it's a mechanism to not drop spores in days of heavy rain, where spores will get washed down in the same place where they're not needed, instead of traveling on the wind far away. Natural Selection has come up with far more complicated survival mechanisms than that.
Especially since often the day after a rain it's so humid that there is NO evaporation going on.
Most people who say "Evaporation is a major trigger for pinning" are parroting something they've heard, not speaking from experience. I know I get about the same pins if I mist every other day or barely mist at all.
I think I'm going to file "Evaporation is a major trigger for pinning" away in the same brain drawer with other old wives tales around here, like "you should starve your shrooms of oxygen by depriving them of FAE until they pin" which I'm sure from experience is total bullshit, but some people will still fight to the death that you need to do that...even people who've been growing for a long time.
Their shrooms grow despite that, not because of it, and probably grow better if they keep growing conditions from day one and forget separate "fruiting conditions."
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 3
#28375390 - 06/26/23 02:33 PM (7 months, 8 hours ago) |
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You can’t really have good conditions where evaporation isn’t happening, so whether it’s causing pins or just a byproduct of good conditions it’s important to have.
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#28375448 - 06/26/23 03:22 PM (7 months, 7 hours ago) |
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nektar61 said: Especially since often the day after a rain it's so humid that there is NO evaporation going on.
Wait isn't the reason its humid after rain because of all the evaporation?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stockw]
#28375475 - 06/26/23 03:37 PM (7 months, 7 hours ago) |
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing man. I've got seemingly the perfect patch for Pans in my garden going from your info. I've been dumping normal gt spawn in there over the past few weeks, would it be an issue to also add Pans at this time?
Tbh I don’t know, I’ve kept all my varieties of patches intentionally seperate simply to avoid issues jic, you could always scrape the old spawn to one side, although in nature they seem to grow off the same cow pats with no visible issues.
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#28375499 - 06/26/23 03:58 PM (7 months, 7 hours ago) |
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3.A.M said: I’ve been mushroom hunting for years and know that after a downpour it’s not truly worth hitting the paddocks until you’ve had almost a days worth of dry weather or better yet a good dose of intense sun. I mainly focus on growing pan cyans ....
So you're talking about picking wild pan cyans, not about picking wild Psilocybe cubensis, right? There are several differences in how those two grow.
I get what you're saying, but a different possible explanation for this could be "wild pans (or cubes if you mean cubes) grow a day after a rain if they don't get soaked again"... might not be evaporation. Could just be if they get soaked again, it's too much water, they don't grow until they're not soaking in water underground, until some of it drains (as opposed to evaporating).
Could be that they don't fruit if it's still raining because it's a mechanism to not drop spores in days of heavy rain, where spores will get washed down in the same place where they're not needed, instead of traveling on the wind far away. Natural Selection has come up with far more complicated survival mechanisms than that.
Especially since often the day after a rain it's so humid that there is NO evaporation going on.
Most people who say "Evaporation is a major trigger for pinning" are parroting something they've heard, not speaking from experience. I know I get about the same pins if I mist every other day or barely mist at all.
I think I'm going to file "Evaporation is a major trigger for pinning" away in the same brain drawer with other old wives tales around here, like "you should starve your shrooms of oxygen by depriving them of FAE until they pin" which I'm sure from experience is total bullshit, but some people will still fight to the death that you need to do that...even people who've been growing for a long time.
Their shrooms grow despite that, not because of it, and probably grow better if they keep growing conditions from day one and forget separate "fruiting conditions."
I was actually going to bring this up before but didn’t want to waffle on too much and it’s just observation, yes I’m picking both cubes and pans and I’ve got certain locations where they both grow in abundance, nothing will grow while it’s pouring with rain and there’s excessive ground saturation but as soon as there’s a pause, be it 8-12hrs you’ll find cube pins, again, as long as the ground isn’t too saturated, pans will only be found when the rain ends and we’ve had at least 24-48hrs of decent heat and/or sunlight, biggest and best pan patches are in cow pats where the grass has grown long around and over it creating steamy little micro climates. Like I said, there’s no doubt that there’s other factors at play alongside evaporation but I can only base my experience on what I’ve observed so I understand why “evaporation “ is the go to describing word for what people see as a trigger but until actual research is done to determine the entire process, it’s the only word we’ve got, and with what I’ve seen with pans, it certainly fits.
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