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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker]
    #28364155 - 06/18/23 08:57 AM (7 months, 8 days ago)

I cant upload pictures at the moment but those white patches top leftish and bottom right look suspect to me - Id definitely wait it out a bit tho


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smoothcat] * 1
    #28364228 - 06/18/23 10:32 AM (7 months, 8 days ago)

Regardless, it looks super dry also. What is your tub setup? Are you fanning?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
    #28364508 - 06/18/23 03:51 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)




Greetings shroomery

Whats going on

Struggling a bit with a sealer machine, mainly the bands catching PLASTIC from uneven or wet bags


Its really all about how they come out of the pasteurizing chamber, if you have flat dry edges from doing everything perfectly, it doesnt matter how you approach it, your earlier cutting of corners

Haunts you down the line, draining time


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Happy to report i am finally able to use normal Petri dishes, this is a clone from discussion, the bruise aborters, separately taken to a grain master along with backup master plates


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For oysters, in the industry, they actually get away with inoculating sawdust substrates with bacterial not even fully colonized grain bags

Im raising the spawn quality here,

Like,

They are not rinsing dirty feed grains,
accepting them as sticky

But im ending that soon


Goddam shroomery saved my life by learning me clean spawn


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smoothcat]
    #28364555 - 06/18/23 04:50 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

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I cant upload pictures at the moment but those white patches top leftish and bottom right look suspect to me - Id definitely wait it out a bit tho




Ok thank you. Wait and see.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28364596 - 06/18/23 05:48 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

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Regardless, it looks super dry also. What is your tub setup? Are you fanning?




Hi Smelly,
i used a 5 liter shoebox (mine is a tupperware like box with lid with latches)
Used 3 quart Coir+verm sub mixed with 1 quart grain plus 1 quart sub for pseudocasing.
Prepd it the way Stipe explained in his video, minus the 6:1 sub to grain ratio he uses. I adapted to the fact i have two 1 quart bottles of grain and boxes that are approx 5 quarts, so the ratio is more 4:1
I checked the capacity the way Stipe explained and it looked good.
Pressed the sub firmly but not too roughly into the box/liner and covered with the unlatched lid that i pushed to the side 2mm just so that it doesn't sit flush with the lip of the box so that there is some FAE.
Never sprayed this and never fanned it either. never even removed the lid to check the surface until yeterday when i took these photos.

I put the grain to substrate 20th of May, it started colonizing, was at room temp for a week, i had to go away so i put them in the fridge for 2 weeks with the lids latched, came back a week ago, let them get to room temp for a day and unlatched the lids. So they are basically pinning after only being at room temp for 2 weeks.

I tried to make better photos of the surface so you can check it.
I thought when i saw the beads of water on the myc that this is indicative of good surface conditions and never sprayed it. I thought i was good with moisture since these boxes have only been out for 2 weeks since mixing it up.




this is how it looks at the moment.
Now I will admit that one box seems dryer than the other. The beads are not so pronounced as on the surface of the box on the above second photo.
They are smaller and there is less of them overall.

Should i mist this box? Is it ok to mist while it is fruiting?

I posted because i was worried about the sub not being fully colonized and the pinning started, but you guys came back with mold and moisture. Mold, I don't see anything happening yet, but moisture could be probably improved on the second box.

What about the sub not being colonized fully? should i worry? or who cares? or i don't know what? are there any measures now that i need to take regarding this or just spray it from time to time and cross all extremities?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker]
    #28364600 - 06/18/23 05:50 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

Is there a good/easier way to get residual specks of verm off the base of the stems? I've noticed it's a bit easier to brush off after dehydrating, but I'm still somewhat concerned about gobbling a bunch of tiny sharp rocks.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShredSledder]
    #28364602 - 06/18/23 05:56 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

Yeah mist it. You’re giving it too much FAE. How tight is the lid? You probably don’t need to have it offset, just don’t press it shut if it’s an airtight seal.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShredSledder]
    #28364603 - 06/18/23 05:57 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

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Is there a good/easier way to get residual specks of verm off the base of the stems? I've noticed it's a bit easier to brush off after dehydrating, but I'm still somewhat concerned about gobbling a bunch of tiny sharp rocks.



At least for coir. Put it in a gallon bag and shake it once dry. Not sure about verm. Using the back of a scalpel or exact to scrape the tissue off isn’t too bad. You don’t lose much.

And worse comes to worse, make tea.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28364608 - 06/18/23 06:03 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

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Yeah mist it. You’re giving it too much FAE. How tight is the lid? You probably don’t need to have it offset, just don’t press it shut if it’s an airtight seal.




ok, thank you. the lid is not that tight, hard to  gauge, first time doing this. It has a rubber seal and sits over the lip of the box, so i was worried it'll seal up too tight.

I will dubtub it tomorrow. and spray both. I got that hairdresser mister for this.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker] * 1
    #28364627 - 06/18/23 06:33 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

Dubtub or grocery bag over the top work fine


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
    #28364646 - 06/18/23 06:53 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

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Dubtub or grocery bag over the top work fine



Ok, thank you sir for your kind support


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #28364753 - 06/18/23 08:41 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

Makes sense, thanks for the response!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 4
    #28364909 - 06/18/23 11:34 PM (7 months, 7 days ago)

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Quote:

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Is there a good/easier way to get residual specks of verm off the base of the stems? I've noticed it's a bit easier to brush off after dehydrating, but I'm still somewhat concerned about gobbling a bunch of tiny sharp rocks.



At least for coir. Put it in a gallon bag and shake it once dry. Not sure about verm. Using the back of a scalpel or exact to scrape the tissue off isn’t too bad. You don’t lose much.

And worse comes to worse, make tea.




Coir is good. It helps hold the right amount of water inthe mycelium better than verm alone. If you're going to skip one, skip verm. I use coir and verm but there are a Trusted Cultivators here (Bod, for one) who use coir with no verm.

But you don't want coir on your dried shrooms either. So regardless of what you use: also fillet the shrooms. Pick by twisting, then use scissors to chop the bottom off the shroom. Throw that part out. You don't need it. It's active, but it's trash active.

If you get good at growing shrooms you'll have more than you can ever eat.

This is what I toss from each shoebox:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShredSledder] * 1
    #28364920 - 06/18/23 11:44 PM (7 months, 7 days ago)

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Is there a good/easier way to get residual specks of verm off the base of the stems? I've noticed it's a bit easier to brush off after dehydrating, but I'm still somewhat concerned about gobbling a bunch of tiny sharp rocks.




Tried anything like a wirebrush yet maybe?

Personally, I'd just cut it off with a scalpel before dehydrating.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ShredSledder] * 4
    #28364972 - 06/19/23 01:25 AM (7 months, 7 days ago)

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Is there a good/easier way to get residual specks of verm off the base of the stems




Toothbrush works great!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28365929 - 06/19/23 05:34 PM (7 months, 7 days ago)

SIDE PINS QUESTION

Hi everyone

First time doing shoeboxes that just started with the first flush.

Even though I put a bin liner in the boxes and pressed the substrate into it I still got a couple of side pins.

What to do about these? Screwing with anything now seems like a terrible idea.
Do I just let the flush finish and then when rehydrating get these off?

Is there any chance these rot or something in the meantime?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker] * 3
    #28365996 - 06/19/23 06:02 PM (7 months, 7 days ago)

yeah just let the flush finish. side pins are annoying but they shouldn’t rot on you

i’ve had good luck avoiding side pins by just using heavy compression when spawning my tubs. i don’t use liners & can avoid them fairly consistently. having perfect surface conditions is also a huge factor in avoiding side pins


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28366095 - 06/19/23 06:43 PM (7 months, 7 days ago)

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yeah just let the flush finish. side pins are annoying but they shouldn’t rot on you

i’ve had good luck avoiding side pins by just using heavy compression when spawning my tubs. i don’t use liners & can avoid them fairly consistently. having perfect surface conditions is also a huge factor in avoiding side pins




Ok, thank you. Since you mentioned them might as well ask, is there a good read on perfect surface conditions that you can recommend?
How do i know whether I have them, i.e. how to recognize them, how to create them, how to maintain them.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker] * 3
    #28366110 - 06/19/23 06:50 PM (7 months, 7 days ago)

i have the perfect thread for you! here’s the quintessential surface conditions thread

basically, you want an even layer of beads with no pooling. ideally, your field capacity in the sub is perfect at spawn & you have your tubs dialed in for a good level of FAE without letting the tub go dry. that’s the best way to create them in the first place. mist as needed to maintain those beads. you should aim for minimal misting until about end of the first flush just for your own sake, but it’s not bad if you have to mist once a day or whatever. just means you might wanna dial back the FAE unless fruits are screaming for it etc. but everyone is growing in different conditions so there aren’t necessarily hard & fast rules on what works best. just takes some hands on experience in fruiting to know what to tweak to get the conditions you need but as long as you keep at it you’ll get it dialed in :thumbup:

oh, & ime tubs usually don’t start beading up until the myc is about at 100% colonization, so don’t panic if you don’t see the beads (unless the coir itself looks actively dry)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hazyhorse] * 2
    #28366151 - 06/19/23 07:15 PM (7 months, 7 days ago)

Thank you very much sir for taking the time. While you were writing your reply I found the thread in your journal.
Thanks again regardless.


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