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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fiddle_head] 1
#28337926 - 05/28/23 07:15 AM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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I want to use coir for my PF cakes since it's renewable as opposed to verm.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fiddle_head]
#28337977 - 05/28/23 08:26 AM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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No that's it, you got it. 2kg of grain resulted in 6 1L jars when "dried" overnight in the fridge. 2kg of grain resulted in 5 1L jars when dried on baking sheets with a fan blowing on them. I fill my jars to 750ml each, so air drying them caused roughly 750ml of volume to disappear.
That makes sense. Yeah that’s why I was confused. But that means the ones in the fridge dried slower and held onto more moisture, which was obvious right away. I just think the extra explanation was necessary for me to grasp the spirit of the post tbh. Drier grains always perform better imo esp wheat oats and rye. I won’t say it’s the actual cause of the accelerated growth because I think there’s too many confounding variables, but the soft agar could have aided in creating more surface area contact. It might be feasible as a controlled experiment with 4 separate groups, but I don’t have that much fridge space and it’s not really my thing to try and kickstart the process like that; I suspect there are inherent flaws and I fear complications with contamination and yields . I just let myc do it’s thing on standard recipe with consistent results, so I’d have to see hard data to be swayed to try it as a tek or whatnot as might many. what I really wanna know is have others tried too with similar results and if so how often. I do think it’s possible you have a wider genetic pool than you originally thought.
Right, I'm just going to assume that the faster growth is due to the soft agar. I mean when you take agar and break it up into dozens of small pieces that are mixed everywhere in the grain, you are not that far from SSLC/LC.
For the fridge dried grains, I'll revisit the question when I'm able to do some A/B testing. I'm sure someone has already done it though since in theory it does seem that a more hydrated, softer grain kernel would be colonized faster. Maybe it's one of those things that sounds good in theory but doesn't matter that much in practice, since nobody really talks about it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fiddle_head] 2
#28338237 - 05/28/23 12:23 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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the one on the left looks a little fucky, they all might. I would be suspicious.
As promised here are the jars. They look fine to me, I'm even considering not doing the last shake and just let them finish. Do you guys still do the 80-90% shake or is that outdated?

Ofcourse I forgot to rotate the pics. Oh well.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78] 1
#28338247 - 05/28/23 12:36 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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i still do the 90% shake, really shows ya if there’s anything funky in there. the sporadic rhizomorphic growth in a few of those jars is telling me there might be something up w em, i usually see that in my bacterial jars around 100% or post 100% shake
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hazyhorse]
#28338251 - 05/28/23 12:40 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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Yeah I guess better safe than sorry. I didn't know that about the sporadic rhizomorphic being an indicator. If it's worth anything, those are all multispore and they were all tomentose on agar.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78]
#28338461 - 05/28/23 04:37 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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for sure, idk that the multispore makes a huge difference but ya never know lol. not saying it’s 100% def bacterial but personally if they were my jars i wouldn’t be getting my hopes up. i’ve only seen that weird sporadic rhizo growth in my bacterial spawn, i think it’s a stress response. a shake should be illuminating, otherwise if you get mold by the end of flush 2 or 3 you’ll know
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hazyhorse]
#28338481 - 05/28/23 04:55 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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OK we will see I guess. but there no other signs of bacteria, no wet grains stuck on glass, no metabolites no thick slimy growth.
mold after 3 flushes doesn't sound like terrible spawn either, I mean it's gotta be pretty tired by then. like how much do you want that poor thing to give you lol
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78]
#28338492 - 05/28/23 05:09 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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yeah it might be fine, bacteria can def be pretty sneaky though. i’ve had stuff that looked similar to your jars but didn’t recover from that final shake or just fruited poorly
yeah two solid flushes from less than stellar spawn is definitely welcomed lol. i’ve gotten good results spawning stuff like that, but almost always would end up with mold during or after the second flush, sometimes during first flush. but by rights, if your spawn is 100% clean you should be able to go like 4+ flushes if you wanted to. not any real reason to go for more than 2 but always good to have clean spawn regardless, it’ll perform better over all
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hazyhorse] 1
#28340231 - 05/30/23 04:12 AM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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hey guys,
I need some assistance with my mushroom grow. I've noticed the presence of fluffy growth, and I'm concerned about the delayed pin development. Can you please help me understand what might be going on?
I would appreciate any insights or advice you can offer. Thank you!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: elthedreamer] 2
#28340264 - 05/30/23 05:10 AM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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That’s normal, nothing to worry about
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] 6
#28340580 - 05/30/23 12:25 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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Just made my 4th and 5th shoeboxes from shredded PF cakes. Feeling accomplished and more confident, I even pulled a PF cake that I was suspicious about being bacterial, and will toss it instead of bothering with it.
This week hopefully I will pour agar for the first time and put some Semperviva spores from Roscoe to agar.
And it’s looking like my first shoebox harvest from my first PF batch is just around the corner. My pins are starting to grow exponentially. This from my first PF batch that’s taken forever to get to this point, I followed the updated PF tek and nocced my first jars with a purchased spore vial on February 28! Shredded to bulk on April 21. But the box is looking surprisingly good now. Tons of pins! Pics tomorrow.
Just wanna share with you guys bc I’m excited at my progress and how much I’ve learned so far. Thank you everyone, I’m so grateful for all your help and support so far.  
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycodemus] 1
#28340588 - 05/30/23 12:36 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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that's great to hear man, glad you're getting deeper into the hobby. its the most rewarding thing ive ever done.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78] 1
#28340596 - 05/30/23 12:42 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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the one on the left looks a little fucky, they all might. I would be suspicious.
As promised here are the jars. They look fine to me, I'm even considering not doing the last shake and just let them finish. Do you guys still do the 80-90% shake or is that outdated?

OfCourse I forgot to rotate the pics. Oh well.
Those look way better than i was anticipating, good job. imo they will go to bulk fine and be good fruiting blocks if you have everything dialed. i've had growth that looks like that depending on which grain i use. i'm not saying its grain dependent or even not totally axenic but if i get jars that look like that i'm usually satisfied overall, even if i only see 2 flushes.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fiddle_head] 1
#28340669 - 05/30/23 01:40 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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Those jars look amazing, nice work! I sent one to bulk that looked almost that nice, can't wait to see how it does.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78] 3
#28340678 - 05/30/23 01:44 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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the one on the left looks a little fucky, they all might. I would be suspicious.
As promised here are the jars. They look fine to me, I'm even considering not doing the last shake and just let them finish. Do you guys still do the 80-90% shake or is that outdated?

Ofcourse I forgot to rotate the pics. Oh well.
I'm with hazy in this one. They don't look right. The sporadic density of the mycelium and rhizos that remain after full colonization is a sign of contam
That being said, I'd still shoebox the fuck out of those.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Way] 3
#28340698 - 05/30/23 02:03 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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i’ve just had too much bad spawn to not instantly question anything that looks off that sort of rhizo growth is a huge red flag for me
+1 on shoeboxing them. i hope i’m wrong for your sake, but i would personally expect mold to pop up at some point
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hazyhorse] 1
#28340702 - 05/30/23 02:06 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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They may sprout some mold, but hopefully not till after a flush or two.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sprocket] 3
#28340713 - 05/30/23 02:18 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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We are all kind of talking out of our ass until it gets spawned and we find out 
I think it'll flush personally. Good luck.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sprocket] 7
#28340715 - 05/30/23 02:21 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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Y'all are just jelly 
I shook them already, will let them go back to 100% and take more pics.
Of course they will grow mold at some point, look at my sig you think I'm some kind of amateur.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78] 2
#28340717 - 05/30/23 02:28 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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How could we have ever doubted you oh master of mold.
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