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Adas
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr Piggy] 2
#28336978 - 05/27/23 01:09 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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A.k.a said: Years ago I cut down all the dead knee high grass/foxtail type stuff in my yard, soaked it and pasteurized it and the myc ate it up when I mixed a little colonized grain in.
Bold considering foxtails can stop your heart dead 
That's actually Foxglove. I have a bunch blooming right now and I'm absolutely in love! 11/10 one of the most beautiful plants currently in the garden, with basically 0 maintenance growing like weeds. Love it!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78]
#28337027 - 05/27/23 01:47 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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altford78 said: I don't want to be a downer here but I've been to the coco plantations in SEA and it's an ecological disaster of monumental proportions. If you don't use the coir, it's just going to get tossed and the plantations will still be profitable. This is not a hill worth dying on. You are at least making good use out of something that really shouldn't exist at this scale.
I agree that we should at least use it for good, but not sure I follow the argument that since it’s an ecological disaster, we should use it. I wonder how much more coco is being used since the covid shroom boom.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Adas]
#28337031 - 05/27/23 01:49 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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A.k.a said: Years ago I cut down all the dead knee high grass/foxtail type stuff in my yard, soaked it and pasteurized it and the myc ate it up when I mixed a little colonized grain in.
Bold considering foxtails can stop your heart dead 
That's actually Foxglove. I have a bunch blooming right now and I'm absolutely in love! 11/10 one of the most beautiful plants currently in the garden, with basically 0 maintenance growing like weeds. Love it!
Ugh I hate foxglove! Beautiful flowers for sure but I’ve had to pull so many patches taking over the forest when I worked for state parks. And usually I would have a racing heartbeat at the end of it
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Adas
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mind.at.large] 1
#28337037 - 05/27/23 01:51 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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Foxglove will make your heart rate slower. You sure it wasn't placebo?
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altford78
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There is no argument here. It will either be used or tossed. Lobby against palm oil if you want, everything else is a byproduct.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Adas] 1
#28337066 - 05/27/23 02:07 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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Adas said: Foxglove will make your heart rate slower. You sure it wasn't placebo?
Quite possibly
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78]
#28337070 - 05/27/23 02:08 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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altford78 said: There is no argument here. It will either be used or tossed. Lobby against palm oil if you want, everything else is a byproduct.
I agree that whether I, as an individual, use it or not, nothing will change. But in theory, less demand equals less production
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RoscoeReturns said: I’ve been using manure/straw mix almost exclusively lately. Grows look great, manure is free, straw is $7 a bale. The manure and straw are made within a few miles of my house. I can’t think of a better substrate. I may have purchased my last brick of coir.
good shit man. I've got a bag of straw pellets & manure pellets from local sources.. I've heard due to the manufacturing process of pellets they're pasteurised already. I've been meaning to experiment with it instead of coir.
How do you treat your substrates?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mind.at.large] 1
#28337117 - 05/27/23 02:59 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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altford78 said: There is no argument here. It will either be used or tossed. Lobby against palm oil if you want, everything else is a byproduct.
I agree that whether I, as an individual, use it or not, nothing will change. But in theory, less demand equals less production
In theory yes, but I'm really sorry to say this but we don't matter. It's coco plantations from horizon to horizon. The roads cutting through the plantations have massive billboards saying that there's a Mcdonalds 100km that way.
Anyway, I'm going to step out of this convo cz it's just depressing futile shit. Go talk to the coco farmers, look at the ads on TV about the best coco genetics, you'll understand. Seriously go to Borneo/Indonesia, you'll get it.
Look at my jars assholes, tell me about my fridge prep TEK.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stockw]
#28337132 - 05/27/23 03:27 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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RoscoeReturns said: I’ve been using manure/straw mix almost exclusively lately. Grows look great, manure is free, straw is $7 a bale. The manure and straw are made within a few miles of my house. I can’t think of a better substrate. I may have purchased my last brick of coir.
good shit man. I've got a bag of straw pellets & manure pellets from local sources.. I've heard due to the manufacturing process of pellets they're pasteurised already. I've been meaning to experiment with it instead of coir.
How do you treat your substrates?
I’ve been growing in bags, so I just run it through the PC.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#28337492 - 05/27/23 08:37 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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Running a PC for sub can be a lot considering the ratios of grain to sub but it also opens up a lot of choices. You can use pretty much anything that holds water if you're gonna sterilize it.
Hell, the kitty litter and tampons had some of the best yields.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78]
#28337500 - 05/27/23 08:43 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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altford78 said: There is no argument here. It will either be used or tossed. Lobby against palm oil if you want, everything else is a byproduct.
I agree that whether I, as an individual, use it or not, nothing will change. But in theory, less demand equals less production
In theory yes, but I'm really sorry to say this but we don't matter. It's coco plantations from horizon to horizon. The roads cutting through the plantations have massive billboards saying that there's a Mcdonalds 100km that way.
Anyway, I'm going to step out of this convo cz it's just depressing futile shit. Go talk to the coco farmers, look at the ads on TV about the best coco genetics, you'll understand. Seriously go to Borneo/Indonesia, you'll get it.
Look at my jars assholes, tell me about my fridge prep TEK.
You remind me a lot of another user that used to be on this forum.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CocaineBuffet] 3
#28337592 - 05/27/23 10:20 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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I walked in here to some heated posts about the ecological impacts of coir manufacturing, and somehow came out with less info than when I arrived.
If everyone just used kitty litter and tampons it would save a lot of environments guys
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Look at my jars assholes, tell me about my fridge prep TEK.
the one on the left looks a little fucky, they all might. I would be suspicious.
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Grains were fridge dried overnight. That resulted in a full jar extra of grain available, around 750ml of volume compared to the other jars, which were air dried.
cant make heads or tails of this logically, might be the phrasing. air dried? with a fan? because i can guarantee that will dry them out more efficiently than storing them in the fridge overnight.
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I'm suspecting that drying the grains overnight in the fridge has made the grain a bit easier to colonize.
fridges are kinda dry but i don't think that would produce a visually noticeable effect on colonization speeds, quantifiable maybe. I've stored a shit ton of grain in the fridge wet and dry. Dry grains perform better historically and usually colonize faster, so you're on the right track of thought. what grain are you using? Different grains hydrate differently so i guess just not enough information. I detect confounding variables.
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Thoughts?
it's a correlation but i don't see any data, strata or dependents; not enough information for any of us to be certain of a causation or even suspect one.
Cool to see people trying stuff out
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fiddle_head]
#28337753 - 05/28/23 02:53 AM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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You remind me a lot of another user that used to be on this forum.
I guess that's a bad thing?
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the one on the left looks a little fucky, they all might. I would be suspicious.
Fucky how? You are probably seeing the sheen from the plastic tote they are in, it makes everything look bacterial. I'll take a pic when I take them out to shake them if you think there's something wrong with them though.
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cant make heads or tails of this logically, might be the phrasing. air dried? with a fan? because i can guarantee that will dry them out more efficiently than storing them in the fridge overnight.
No that's it, you got it. 2kg of grain resulted in 6 1L jars when "dried" overnight in the fridge. 2kg of grain resulted in 5 1L jars when dried on baking sheets with a fan blowing on them. I fill my jars to 750ml each, so air drying them caused roughly 750ml of volume to disappear.
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what grain are you using? Different grains hydrate differently so i guess just not enough information. I detect confounding variables.
wheat, cooked to 90% translucent when cracked open. Both batches were cooked the same though.
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it's a correlation but i don't see any data, strata or dependents; not enough information for any of us to be certain of a causation or even suspect one.
This is not an experiment, I have absolutely no data to back anything up. It was just an accident that I put the grains in the fridge. It could be just that the soft agar turned into some sort of semi solid LC and that's why they colonize much faster than the other jars. Or it could be the grains being wetter/softer, or both.
I'm just wondering what other people think.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SirPsycho]
#28337768 - 05/28/23 03:21 AM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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SirPsycho said: Running a PC for sub can be a lot considering the ratios of grain to sub but it also opens up a lot of choices. You can use pretty much anything that holds water if you're gonna sterilize it.
Hell, the kitty litter and tampons had some of the best yields.
If you're sterilising your sub, do you then need to inoculate in sterile conditions or nah? Also for something like 50/50 manure / straw pellets would 1hr 30 suffice @ 15psi suffice?
All my Z-Strain tubs are being fuckin weird with super aggressive myc & not fruiting. I've started doin late casing layers but I'm looking to experiment with giving them more nutrition to potentially slow down the myc & give it a chance to fruit.
If my thinking here is totally out of whack do let me know, just a thought.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stockw] 1
#28337865 - 05/28/23 06:13 AM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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SirPsycho said: Running a PC for sub can be a lot considering the ratios of grain to sub but it also opens up a lot of choices. You can use pretty much anything that holds water if you're gonna sterilize it.
Hell, the kitty litter and tampons had some of the best yields.
If you're sterilising your sub, do you then need to inoculate in sterile conditions or nah? Also for something like 50/50 manure / straw pellets would 1hr 30 suffice @ 15psi suffice?
All my Z-Strain tubs are being fuckin weird with super aggressive myc & not fruiting. I've started doin late casing layers but I'm looking to experiment with giving them more nutrition to potentially slow down the myc & give it a chance to fruit.
If my thinking here is totally out of whack do let me know, just a thought.
If your sub is nutritious then yes you should inoculate in sterile conditions. Doesn’t matter if you sterilize or pasteurize your substrate. If you sterilize plain coir, I would feel fine spawning that in open air like normal.
When I make Muda bottles I PC them for 2hrs just like my grain jars. When I do bags I run them for 3hrs because they are bigger, and it takes longer for the center of the mass to come up to temp.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mind.at.large] 2
#28337898 - 05/28/23 06:52 AM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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altford78 said: There is no argument here. It will either be used or tossed. Lobby against palm oil if you want, everything else is a byproduct.
I agree that whether I, as an individual, use it or not, nothing will change. But in theory, less demand equals less production
Palm oil? Lol This is coconut husk, different type of palm tree. Otherwise, i think we’re on the same page.
The demand is for coconut water/oil and you’re right the coco is just a bi product. Us using coir means it doesnt become a waste product somewhere else.
The only added environmental damage comes from processing and shipping, and unless you’re getting local manure by the truckload then its using a similar footprint, maybe even higher because manure isnt dried before processing. Idk. You coupd run it through an embodied energy chart ala Howard Odum, but that’d be the only way to know.
Another factor is processing time and energy once it gets to you, pasteurization is a more water polluting and can be more energy intensive process than bucket tek, lts definitely more labor intensive.
Can you get local straw? It used to he a super popular sub but it does heat up sp ot needs to be thinner than 4”
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus] 3
#28337915 - 05/28/23 07:08 AM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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Palm oil? Lol This is coconut husk, different type of palm tree. Otherwise, i think we’re on the same page.
Fuck. I am an absolute moron of epic proportions. I mixed up my palms. Sorry everybody, ignore everything I said. Hope you enjoyed the show.
I blame the booze.
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Edited by altford78 (05/28/23 07:08 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78]
#28337918 - 05/28/23 07:11 AM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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No that's it, you got it. 2kg of grain resulted in 6 1L jars when "dried" overnight in the fridge. 2kg of grain resulted in 5 1L jars when dried on baking sheets with a fan blowing on them. I fill my jars to 750ml each, so air drying them caused roughly 750ml of volume to disappear.
That makes sense. Yeah that’s why I was confused. But that means the ones in the fridge dried slower and held onto more moisture, which was obvious right away. I just think the extra explanation was necessary for me to grasp the spirit of the post tbh. Drier grains always perform better imo esp wheat oats and rye. I won’t say it’s the actual cause of the accelerated growth because I think there’s too many confounding variables, but the soft agar could have aided in creating more surface area contact. It might be feasible as a controlled experiment with 4 separate groups, but I don’t have that much fridge space and it’s not really my thing to try and kickstart the process like that; I suspect there are inherent flaws and I fear complications with contamination and yields . I just let myc do it’s thing on standard recipe with consistent results, so I’d have to see hard data to be swayed to try it as a tek or whatnot as might many. what I really wanna know is have others tried too with similar results and if so how often. I do think it’s possible you have a wider genetic pool than you originally thought.
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