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YoshiTrainer
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yuggoth] 1
#28335684 - 05/26/23 02:36 PM (8 months, 10 hours ago) |
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I'd guess grass clippings would work, maybe dry them first? Maybe shredded cardboard? Kitty litter made from recycled news paper does work. Look at Sir Psychos grows, he's fruited on all kinds of subs.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yuggoth] 4
#28335692 - 05/26/23 02:41 PM (8 months, 10 hours ago) |
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You'd need to compost the grass clippings first. Too high in nitrogen.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Adas] 4
#28335763 - 05/26/23 03:36 PM (8 months, 9 hours ago) |
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Straw works because it is a rather neutral medium, high carbon and low nitrogen.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr Piggy] 3
#28335819 - 05/26/23 04:30 PM (8 months, 8 hours ago) |
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Years ago I cut down all the dead knee high grass/foxtail type stuff in my yard, soaked it and pasteurized it and the myc ate it up when I mixed a little colonized grain in.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] 3
#28335840 - 05/26/23 04:44 PM (8 months, 8 hours ago) |
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I’ve been using manure/straw mix almost exclusively lately. Grows look great, manure is free, straw is $7 a bale. The manure and straw are made within a few miles of my house. I can’t think of a better substrate. I may have purchased my last brick of coir.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#28335925 - 05/26/23 05:57 PM (8 months, 6 hours ago) |
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A.k.a said: Years ago I cut down all the dead knee high grass/foxtail type stuff in my yard, soaked it and pasteurized it and the myc ate it up when I mixed a little colonized grain in.
Bold considering foxtails can stop your heart dead
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr Piggy]
#28336009 - 05/26/23 07:27 PM (8 months, 5 hours ago) |
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I hydrated more grains than I can use right now. Is there a way to store them?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Auron] 1
#28336017 - 05/26/23 07:38 PM (8 months, 5 hours ago) |
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Auron said: I hydrated more grains than I can use right now. Is there a way to store them?
Long term? Not really. A day or two? A cool dark place.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Way]
#28336068 - 05/26/23 08:17 PM (8 months, 4 hours ago) |
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You could try freezing them. When you thaw them out, maybe they are mush, but it can't hurt to try.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] 8
#28336072 - 05/26/23 08:19 PM (8 months, 4 hours ago) |
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If you PC them they can store in the jars for a good whil. I’ve let sterilized jars set for several weeks before knocking them up. You’ll also have the opportunity to see if your grain process is on point if something wants to grow in them before you use them.
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What he said. I've used grains that were hydrated and PC'd several weeks afterwards. Do be very careful to check that there's no contamination and also decide if it wouldn't be safer just to PC them again.
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That’s what I was thinking and maybe keep them I the fridge. Is sterilizing twice a bad idea?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Auron]
#28336226 - 05/26/23 10:09 PM (8 months, 2 hours ago) |
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Oh if they are already PCd yeah I would just put them in the fridge. I thought you had a pot of extra grain, not jars.
I doubt PCing twice would hurt anything.
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HILLBILLY OUTLAW said: If you PC them they can store in the jars for a good whil. I’ve let sterilized jars set for several weeks before knocking them up. You’ll also have the opportunity to see if your grain process is on point if something wants to grow in them before you use them.
Yeah i agree with this 100% I often let my sterilized jars sit around for months, I think the longest Ive let one sit is 54 days before inoculating. I have some right now I prepped and PCd in Feb that are still sitting there. I've frozen grains before, it depends on which ones, but yeah I think the end result can only be suboptimal. Oats seem to hold up pretty well. Millet seems like it would turn to corn pudding.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fiddle_head]
#28336440 - 05/27/23 02:31 AM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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^ This and I would also distinguish between sterilized grain jars and hydrated, but unsterilized grain jars. I'd be with Way on that score and not keep them around, even in the fridge, for more than a couple of days.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: johnukguy] 1
#28336449 - 05/27/23 02:52 AM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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johnukguy said: ^ This and I would also distinguish between sterilized grain jars and hydrated, but unsterilized grain jars. I'd be with Way on that score and not keep them around, even in the fridge, for more than a couple of days.
Yeah, I assumed they were hydrated but not pced since there was no mention of it.
If they are sterilized they last for months.
Vendors sell grain bags and claim they have colonized after 6 months when I asked.
Unsterilized hydrated grains is a pool party for bacteria though.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Way] 3
#28336589 - 05/27/23 07:22 AM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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Check this out:
Jars inoculated night of 19/05 - shaken once 24/05

Jars inoculated night of 21/05 - shaken once 25/05

So there's only a 2 day headstart for the top jars.
However, the top jars have two things extra going for them:
1) Grains were fridge dried overnight. That resulted in a full jar extra of grain available, around 750ml of volume compared to the other jars, which were air dried.
2) Soft agar that got completely smashed and dispersed with the post-inoc shake. The other jars had 2% agar, the wedge stayed intact with post-inoc shake.
Pics are shitty because I can't be fucked to get them off the shelf and out of the tubs for a pretty photoshoot, but you get the idea. There's jars in the back of the first tub that are like 90% done. I'm probably going to give them one last shake today/tomorrow and spawn them mid next week. Technically I don't even need to do that last shake since they are going into shoeboxes but fuck it why not, maybe there's something sneaky in there.
Anyway, what do you guys think, is it only the soft agar being spread around everywhere that is responsible for this difference? I'm suspecting that drying the grains overnight in the fridge has made the grain a bit easier to colonize. The grains were plumber and not as dark when they came out of the PC. I mean there's an entire 750ml of volume that disappeared with the air dried grains, that must be water that evaporated not only from the surface of the grains but from within them as well, shrinking them down. Minimal moisture in the jars when they came out of the PC and it cleared up in a day or two. You can see the jars in the top have a tiny bit of water on the walls while the bottom ones are bone dry.
Thoughts? 
EDIT: And also what the fuck kind of adhesive do they use for the jar stickers that survives a PC cycle. Explain me that. I even got one stuck to the wall of the PC and couldn't get it off, left a disgusting glue spot. Fuck you stickers.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr Piggy]
#28336811 - 05/27/23 11:02 AM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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Mr Piggy said: I confess (whoops, wrong thread!) that I feel guilty about using coir. People who call it environmentally friendly are either blind or full of shit. Plantations are terrible for the environment, and the stripping and washing process uses tons of fresh water. Throw in cross globe shipping and it's terrible for the environment. I think when I have more space to work with I'm going to start using manure (it's the shit!) instead of coir. It's a personal choice and I am not recommending it as easier or saying anyone who uses coir is amoral. 
Yes I fully agree. I do believe coir usage is arguably the most environmentally damaging thing cube growers take part of… but coir is sooo easy haha.
Manure and straw work great. Pasteurizing is a bitch though
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#28336813 - 05/27/23 11:05 AM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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A.k.a said: Years ago I cut down all the dead knee high grass/foxtail type stuff in my yard, soaked it and pasteurized it and the myc ate it up when I mixed a little colonized grain in.
Nice! A while ago I went and collected a bunch of the invasive European beach grass that covers all the beaches here and used it to grow oysters. It sucked as a substrate and I’ve always wanted to go back and figure out the best ways to use it but it did in fact produce mushrooms
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mind.at.large] 1
#28336956 - 05/27/23 12:56 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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I don't want to be a downer here but I've been to the coco plantations in SEA and it's an ecological disaster of monumental proportions. If you don't use the coir, it's just going to get tossed and the plantations will still be profitable. This is not a hill worth dying on. You are at least making good use out of something that really shouldn't exist at this scale.
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