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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: elthedreamer]
    #28330924 - 05/23/23 08:37 AM (8 months, 3 days ago)

That is a beautiful specimen, i couldn't tell you if there is something off but i would be proud of that, most likely genetics are the culprit.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: HILLBILLY OUTLAW]
    #28332083 - 05/24/23 05:14 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

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I know nobody wants to hear it but im all in on oats.

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I thought brown rice is the most hated.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Floret] * 2
    #28332202 - 05/24/23 07:43 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

I really like brown rice. It's Uncle fucking Bens that's despised and rightly so. Plain brown rice on the other hand can be good stuff. It does get starchy and hard to shake but still good. I did also come across some information that stated cubes grown with brown rice were somewhat more potent than average. I think from Stamets. Though it's old info and I take that with a pinch of salt, especially from Stamets.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: johnukguy] * 2
    #28332212 - 05/24/23 07:58 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

IME brown rice can give fantastic results, but it can be tricky to use.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: johnukguy] * 4
    #28332257 - 05/24/23 08:41 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

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I did also come across some information that stated cubes grown with brown rice were somewhat more potent than average. I think from Stamets.




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28332303 - 05/24/23 09:26 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

Yeah, it figures. There was so much bollocks floating around a few decades back. And we still have to deal with that in the form of people colonizing in the dark, fanning, misting tub walls, depriving myc of air, trying to grow cubes in horse shit and in Martha tents with hideously complicated setups...the list goes on.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: johnukguy]
    #28332396 - 05/24/23 10:56 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

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Yeah, it figures. There was so much bollocks floating around a few decades back. And we still have to deal with that in the form of people colonizing in the dark, fanning, misting tub walls, depriving myc of air, trying to grow cubes in horse shit and in Martha tents with hideously complicated setups...the list goes on.




I agree with you on almost everything. I have to disagree on  misting tub walls.

I keep my tub walls and lid wet. I never mist the cake. I get great results.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lefty68W] * 1
    #28332399 - 05/24/23 10:57 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

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Yeah, it figures. There was so much bollocks floating around a few decades back. And we still have to deal with that in the form of people colonizing in the dark, fanning, misting tub walls, depriving myc of air, trying to grow cubes in horse shit and in Martha tents with hideously complicated setups...the list goes on.




I agree with you on almost everything. I have to disagree on  misting tub walls.

I keep my tub walls and lid wet. I never mist the cake. I get great results.



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Yeah na. Mist the cakes or sub. Shrooms don’t grow from the water evaporating off plastic.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Screwup] * 2
    #28332403 - 05/24/23 11:05 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

Just because I am new to this forum doesn’t mean I can’t grow. I rarely have to mist the walls and lid. Maybe once or twice during the first flush.

Condensation on the tub walls and lid with passive fae provides the ideal humidity in the tub to create proper surface conditions. Normally the tub regulates this condensation on its own. With it increasing and decrease through out the day.

Now maybe you have some reason or explanation how this hurts my grows

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lefty68W]
    #28332432 - 05/24/23 11:25 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

Who is doing the best macro timelapse stuff on here nowadays? I'd like some advice on setups

I have a film idea that would require filming timelapse of all stages of colonization, from agar-> grain -> tub-> mushrooms finally growing, and the camera should not have any dividers between it and the mushrooms themselves.
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Wondering what the best setup would be. I've got nice a Mirrorless Sony A7sII and/or a6300, but the weeks scale plus the humidity of the last step seem not ideal.

Usb microscope cameras connected to a laptop? Specific astrophotography cams?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lefty68W] * 3
    #28332440 - 05/24/23 11:31 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

Your good grows don’t negate bad information. Proper surface conditions happen with correct FAE and field capacity substrate. Spraying the walls is just…spraying the walls.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Screwup]
    #28332444 - 05/24/23 11:39 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

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Your good grows don’t negate bad information. Proper surface conditions happen with correct FAE and field capacity substrate. Spraying the walls is just…spraying the walls.




I don’t mist my walls daily. This is maybe once during fruiting.

Next results speak. That’s how teks get developed and changed.

I never mist the surface. Those tubs were harvested 12 days after spawning. I get solid results. I am asking you to explain to me why I should stop misting the walls and start misting the cake if I am getting these results?

Proper humidity in the tub helps create perfect surface conditions. You discount the evaporation of water off the walls and the part it plays in regulating humidity.

How is it bad information? Because you say so? You haven’t explained how this is hurting my grows.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lefty68W]
    #28332453 - 05/24/23 11:47 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

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I agree with you on almost everything. I have to disagree on  misting tub walls.

I keep my tub walls and lid wet. I never mist the cake. I get great results.




I'm glad that you agree with me a lot but this isn't about agreement. Misting the tub walls does little of any benefit for the substrate surface, and is old and debunked Tek.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: johnukguy]
    #28332458 - 05/24/23 11:50 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

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I agree with you on almost everything. I have to disagree on  misting tub walls.

I keep my tub walls and lid wet. I never mist the cake. I get great results.




I'm glad that you agree with me a lot but this isn't about agreement. Misting the tub walls does little of any benefit for the substrate surface, and is old and debunked Tek.




Debunked where? By who?

I just showed you my grows. I never mist the cake. I have modified tubs I dialed in. When I spawn the tub I mist the walls and lid. From there the tub generally regulates this condensation.

I get healthy tubs that never dry out and are not too wet with perfect surface conditions.

How was it debunked? My results say otherwise.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: johnukguy]
    #28332462 - 05/24/23 11:51 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

He’s not talking about the surface, just raising humidity in general.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #28332464 - 05/24/23 11:52 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

Ah I see. If his substrate had proper surface conditions why spray the walls? Just to help prevent drying out I guess? If my surface is good usually have plenty of moisture in the walls.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #28332466 - 05/24/23 11:54 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

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He’s not talking about the surface, just raising humidity in general.



Exactly.

Monotubs are automated grow chambers and my belief is that the condensation on the walls is the tubs natural humidifier. And perfect surface conditions are created when this high humid environment exists. The field capacity substrate also plays a part in this automated humidifier.

This has led to literally prefect surface conditions in my tubs.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Screwup] * 1
    #28332468 - 05/24/23 11:56 AM (8 months, 2 days ago)

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Ah I see. If his substrate had proper surface conditions why spray the walls? Just to help prevent drying out I guess?




I don’t mist all the time. Some tubs I never mist. Depends on how close to field capacity to substrate is and outside humidity as it affects the inside of the tub through the fae.

But some tubs I might have to hit the walls with a quick mist.

My only job after spawning is making sure that condensation stays on the walls and lid.

Too easy


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lefty68W] * 2
    #28332480 - 05/24/23 12:08 PM (8 months, 2 days ago)

There are multiple threads here detailing why misting the walls is largely a waste of water and time. I'm sure that, as you say, you've had good results but that's not directly from misting the walls of the tub. Condensation on tub walls is caused primarily by temperature difference and isn't a reliable, or particularly useful guide to surface conditions.

This has been known for years, but still the old idea about misting tub walls persists. Even RR was pointing out, over a decade ago, that this doesn't have any substantive benefits and in his words is 'bad advice:'

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Bad advice in a few posts above.

You MUST mist your cakes.  Evaporation of moisture from the cake or other substrate is the number one pinning trigger, bar none.  This is why we provide for lots of fresh air exchange.  Even at 99% humidity, if you're giving the proper amount of fresh air, the cake will lose moisture.  If it did not, it would either not pin at all, or pin poorly.

You mist daily to replace this lost moisture.  The walls of the terrarium are not growing mushrooms, so it's a waste of water and time to spray them.  You spray the cakes, and the overspray from doing so re-hydrates the perlite, keeping humidity in the proper range.
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You need to learn how to properly dial in a tub man.
First off misting the walls is useless...Condensation on the walls of the tub means nothing. It fluctuates with temperature changes. What matters is the condensation on the sub surface. Don't read into the walls.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25787281

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You cant see humidity don't mist your walls.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19443105


This is why the vast majority of TC's and experienced cultivators here don't recommend misting tub walls and will go so far as to call it out as bad advice.

You can easily search yourself here and confirm what I'm saying.

Your process produces good results and nobody can tell you what to do, but advising people to mist their tub walls is outdated and not good advice according to the consensus of experienced cultivators here, over many years.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: johnukguy]
    #28332495 - 05/24/23 12:18 PM (8 months, 2 days ago)

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There are multiple threads here detailing why misting the walls is largely a waste of water and time. I'm sure that, as you say, you've had good results but that's not directly from misting the walls of the tub.

This has been known for years, but still the old idea about misting tub walls persists. Even RR was pointing out, over a decade ago, that this doesn't have any substantive benefits and in his words is 'bad advice:'

Quote:

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Bad advice in a few posts above.

You MUST mist your cakes.  Evaporation of moisture from the cake or other substrate is the number one pinning trigger, bar none.  This is why we provide for lots of fresh air exchange.  Even at 99% humidity, if you're giving the proper amount of fresh air, the cake will lose moisture.  If it did not, it would either not pin at all, or pin poorly.

You mist daily to replace this lost moisture.  The walls of the terrarium are not growing mushrooms, so it's a waste of water and time to spray them.  You spray the cakes, and the overspray from doing so re-hydrates the perlite, keeping humidity in the proper range.
RR





https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16304737

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25787281

This is why the vast majority of TC's and experienced cultivators here don't recommend misting tub walls and will go so far as to call it out as bad advice.




And I feel differently. Humidity is created by water evaporating. I believe you think I am misting my walls and lid daily or in some schedule. I mist only if the walls and lid start to get dry. Once again if the walls and lid start to get dry.

The condensation on the walls and lid is part of the tubs natural humidifier. And saying things like misting the walls and is bad information it can hurt new growers. If new growers maintain the tubs condensation they can prevent having to ever mist the cake. Which should be a good thing because you simplify things.

Bad information should be things that negatively affect a grow. This here is a difference in monotub tek. And what I believe happens in the tubs and the role things like condensation play.

I will say this. You can search this forum and just a few years ago it was common advice to colonize then fruit and to fan your tubs. Now it’s accepted to simply provide passive fee only and from day 1. Teks and things change. When people do things differently and share the results we change how we think and do things.

I never mist my cake and I get full canopies. How is it I must do something to get pins I never do and get full canopies?


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