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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#28113410 - 12/26/22 09:25 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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AyePlus said: Cut slits in the side and run a fan, small fruits stacked tight take a long time And I’ve always had to stir to fet even drying. Pressing them into a brick sounds like a bad idea to me but if you do it i’d wait till theyre dry but still pliable to packcthem and make 100% sure to get it bone dry
Good to know. I'm unsure how it will go. My current "pillows" are about 18-20" long, and round. I'll attempt to get the 600 watts of windy heat to go over the long side of shape, I was dreaming of doing it without futzing with it in the middle of the process... that it would just shrink to a brick I could jam into the bag. I imagine it will need to be longer than my current ones.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#28113606 - 12/27/22 01:59 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I am curious if anyone has any experience with psilocybe ovoideocystidiata mycellium. I am unsure if this is mycellium or just some random contam. It was looking like cobweb mold at first but its basically pure white and kinda stringy. It looks better now but at first it looked like it was straight up white cobweb mold with how stringy it was. I dont know if this is just common with ovoids or not. I think ive seen this kind of growth from gymnopilus luteofolius mycellium once but I just dont have any experience on ovoid cultivation. Heres tons of pics of the jars, let me know if you think its some sort of contam or ovoid myc.





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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: kilohalo5]
#28113637 - 12/27/22 05:14 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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looks like myc but overly wet and badly bacterially contaminated, hard to say, but if I had other work I would scrap that personally
good luck with the next one
EDIT: actually not even sure that is myc, how long did it take to cover the jars like that?
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Exotics can have weird mycelium, and corn usually doesn’t look great either. I would ask in the exotic thread.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#28114099 - 12/27/22 02:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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It was slow, not insanely fast like most contams. Theres no other colors in the jar, the popcorn makes it look much weirder than it is, its pure white but alot more cottony looking. The corn is a bit more wetter but I dont think theres any bacterial.
I lean back and forth if its some sort of mold or mycellium. I think it might be mycellium from a different mushroom species that got into the spore print I used. But I have no prior experience with ovoids so I have no baseline if this is normal or not lol.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: kilohalo5]
#28114113 - 12/27/22 02:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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You will know once you shake it and smell it. It should smell like Cube myc.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Adas]
#28114165 - 12/27/22 03:15 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Can someone link to me threads on dry bagging various grains? I mostly use milo, millet, wheat and rye. Dry bagging spawn would simplify my setup so much, and I can switch to solely using whatever grain works best for this. I couldn’t really find a good tek for various grains and don’t understand how you load your pc with bags of water without making a huge mess.
Are there any dry bagging methods that don’t involve removing and shaking the bags right after the PC depressurizes? My lab and grain prep station is away from house so I dislike having to boil and steam dry grain elsewhere, if I could just add the right amount of water and grain, load electric PC on timer then bail after venting that’d be amazing.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rusty2096] 2
#28114191 - 12/27/22 04:04 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Rusty2096 said: Merry Christmas

If that came down my chimney on christmas I'd open fire without hesitation.
Fucking killbots don't even take the holidays off, smh.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#28114210 - 12/27/22 04:19 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Deadly jumblies
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tedoro
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AphexPin]
#28114221 - 12/27/22 04:36 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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AphexPin said: Can someone link to me threads on dry bagging various grains? I mostly use milo, millet, wheat and rye. Dry bagging spawn would simplify my setup so much, and I can switch to solely using whatever grain works best for this. I couldn’t really find a good tek for various grains and don’t understand how you load your pc with bags of water without making a huge mess.
Are there any dry bagging methods that don’t involve removing and shaking the bags right after the PC depressurizes? My lab and grain prep station is away from house so I dislike having to boil and steam dry grain elsewhere, if I could just add the right amount of water and grain, load electric PC on timer then bail after venting that’d be amazing.
I think you are speaking of what many call 'no prep'. People successfully no-prep grains here. Some Teks are even written by TC's. There is however some hesitation by some of us that the grains are unevenly hydrated, leaving some grains so dry they have a hard time getting sterilized. Not to mention problems that arise from clumping.
I wished photos of canopies or lack of canopies followed all grain prep ideas. That would be telling.
This member has been doing a great deal of testing on no prep. But some of their photos showing results indicate unhappy mycelia. I like his openness and documentation.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28052502
But as someone that came in to this forum falling into the camp of 'why are all you all doing so much work?' The answer is we are doing as little work as we can to succeed. Proper grain prep yields results.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#28114277 - 12/27/22 05:07 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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No prep takes serious dialing in. Some of my fastest colonized jars were during my no prep phase though. When you hit it just right it’s good.
If the issue is cooking the grain you can always just soak birdseed in a bucket 12-24 hours.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#28114290 - 12/27/22 05:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah it’s also called dry bagging, maybe that term is more popular for gourmet growers. Some farms run solely off that prep method but I’ve never been able to get it to work for me. Eric Myers has some videos on the subject but doesn’t go into much detail.
@AKA, it’s more about the efficiency and time saved in dry bagging. I’m building an autobagger for dry bagging fruiting blocks and want to do the same for spawn if I can dial it in. My lab is away from home so if I soak I have to drive out two days in a row, if I boil I have to hang around and monitor for a few hours, even with an electric kettle. With dry bagging I could be out pretty quick and only once a week, in a perfect world.
Maybe I can rig up some weird shit with an electric kettle where it automatically fills with water the day before I come out, so that when I arrive I’ve got grain that’s been soaking in warm water for 12-24 hours. I’d just empty out the water and grain then leave dry grain in there for the next cycle. IDK! I don’t really have faith in dry bagging grain atm so I just wanna start by messing around with it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AphexPin]
#28114367 - 12/27/22 06:18 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Throw a bucket heater in a trash can with a timer and plumb it with a spigot at the bottom, throw it on a dolly or hook it up to a hose to drain.
Timed water filling could be done the same way with another similar sized trashcan with a sump pump in it. On a timer,
You just need a couple programmable digital outlet timers really..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#28114398 - 12/27/22 06:41 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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A.k.a said: No prep takes serious dialing in. Some of my fastest colonized jars were during my no prep phase though. When you hit it just right it’s good.
If the issue is cooking the grain you can always just soak birdseed in a bucket 12-24 hours.
and why did you stop no-prepping?
i remember asking you for details on your no prep or no-simmer methods. i believe that they worked for you but i followed them perfectly, tried at least a dozen times but never got them to work even once. and i even tried all kinds of grain (milo, millet, wheat, oats)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AphexPin]
#28114412 - 12/27/22 06:50 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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AphexPin said: Yeah it’s also called dry bagging, maybe that term is more popular for gourmet growers. Some farms run solely off that prep method but I’ve never been able to get it to work for me. Eric Myers has some videos on the subject but doesn’t go into much detail.
@AKA, it’s more about the efficiency and time saved in dry bagging. I’m building an autobagger for dry bagging fruiting blocks and want to do the same for spawn if I can dial it in. My lab is away from home so if I soak I have to drive out two days in a row, if I boil I have to hang around and monitor for a few hours, even with an electric kettle. With dry bagging I could be out pretty quick and only once a week, in a perfect world.
Maybe I can rig up some weird shit with an electric kettle where it automatically fills with water the day before I come out, so that when I arrive I’ve got grain that’s been soaking in warm water for 12-24 hours. I’d just empty out the water and grain then leave dry grain in there for the next cycle. IDK! I don’t really have faith in dry bagging grain atm so I just wanna start by messing around with it.
it should also be noted that the video of TR davis dry bagging grain spawn is from 2018. he doesn't do it that way. there must be a reason. dry bagging sawdust substrate is fine though.
here's a new video this year of him boiling grain
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg]
#28114441 - 12/27/22 07:18 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I’m kind of wondering now if it’s possible to just use the same amount and type of grain with the same amount of water in an electric kettle and just dial in how long the cook time is (probably variable on starting water temp, but that could be accounted for), then have it automatically shut off and drain. With a mesh insert in a kettle, it could dry pretty well, and you could undercook the grain a tad to account for the surface being wet, since that’d soak up during the cook. So you could boil, drain and wet load without dumping it out to steam dry. That’d be pretty hands off. I like the consistency of boiling, it just sucks to babysit it and then babysit my sterilizers until I can toggle the vent.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AphexPin]
#28114458 - 12/27/22 07:29 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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the problem with no-prepping grain is that every batch of grain is different. from one harvest to another it's different even if they are both the same grain type. prepping grain is not an exact science, it's more of an art, like cooking. you can't just add X amount of water and cook for X amount of minutes and expect it to work every time. sure, you'll get the numbers right and get lucky a lot of the times and when you do it's great (like AKA said). but it's not consistent. and for some people like myself, it'll just never work.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FriedEgg] 1
#28114533 - 12/27/22 08:39 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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FriedEgg said: the problem with no-prepping grain is that every batch of grain is different. from one harvest to another it's different even if they are both the same grain type. prepping grain is not an exact science, it's more of an art, like cooking. you can't just add X amount of water and cook for X amount of minutes and expect it to work every time. sure, you'll get the numbers right and get lucky a lot of the times and when you do it's great (like AKA said). but it's not consistent. and for some people like myself, it'll just never work.
A few years back I became obsessed with no prep. I even had a moment where I simmered the bags in the PC at 0 pressure until most of the water was absorbed, then reloaded the bags upside down for the last bit of water uptake.
Turns out, It never performed for me consistently. Overnight room temp soaked WBS rinsed a few times, load, sterilize. No cooking, no drying. Pretty easy. And excellent prep... great yields.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#28114541 - 12/27/22 08:51 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I used this and it seems to be working well so far. Give it a try.
Edit: Guess I should say with millet.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#28114911 - 12/28/22 09:51 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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First time growing, using rye berries. I have cooked and pressure cooked these, I'm concerned they look a little dry but maybe the outside doesn't need to look moist? Can anyone give some feedback please?
Edited by Based_God (12/28/22 10:02 AM)
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