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Changa Alchemist
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: abductee]
#24202084 - 03/29/17 08:52 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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SloppyJoseph
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: abductee] 1
#24202127 - 03/29/17 09:11 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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abductee said: be my pleasure, I'd give the spores that drop from my fruits and the hair off my back.
I'd be interested in propagating some of your back hair spores..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#24202156 - 03/29/17 09:31 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24202228 - 03/29/17 10:07 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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This shoulder gives more viable spores than this one over here. Lol But on a sereious note I haven't worked out the best and most productive way of testing out a clone. My understanding is that the genetics would be set in stone so isolating as you would with starting from spores would be skipped and the fruits grown and culture would have similar characteristics no mater how you isolate.I would guess the only factor determining the overall outcome of the fruit would be environment and nutrition?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: abductee]
#24202271 - 03/29/17 10:26 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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abductee said:
This shoulder gives more viable spores than this one over here. Lol But on a sereious note I haven't worked out the best and most productive way of testing out a clone. My understanding is that the genetics would be set in stone so isolating as you would with starting from spores would be skipped and the fruits grown and culture would have similar characteristics no mater how you isolate.I would guess the only factor determining the overall outcome of the fruit would be environment and nutrition?
Interesting. So basically you can't improve a clone culture? You get what you get?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: abductee]
#24202272 - 03/29/17 10:27 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I figured it out, I can grow in a jar from a clown to get a fruit and then get spores from that to further isolating and clone for other genetic characteristics.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: abductee]
#24202273 - 03/29/17 10:27 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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In general you can not isolate too much further from clone, but you can mess with the culture a little in each direction IME on agar. But a clone can vary to the nth degree in practical fruiting still depending on what substrate, conditions, water content, etc. but if you test clones and give them the same conditions you can try and pick out your favorite. But it's never to say the ones you don't choose wouldn't kill it given different circumstances. Just gotta own your decision and manage your time and resources however best suits you.
I would look into single quart dub tubs to test cultures, or micro bulk of you wanna check out my tek to give you ideas. Or fuck it run a fleet of tubs for each clone. Then pick them based on the number of pounds you get from each clone
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#24202287 - 03/29/17 10:34 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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SloppyJoseph said: In general you can not isolate too much further from clone, but you can mess with the culture a little in each direction IME on agar. But a clone can vary to the nth degree in practical fruiting still depending on what substrate, conditions, water content, etc. but if you test clones and give them the same conditions you can try and pick out your favorite. But it's never to say the ones you don't choose wouldn't kill it given different circumstances. Just gotta own your decision and manage your time and resources however best suits you.
I would look into single quart dub tubs to test cultures, or micro bulk of you wanna check out my tek to give you ideas. Or fuck it run a fleet of tubs for each clone. Then pick them based on the number of pounds you get from each clone

Now that I have a lot of jar lids and a lot of oats, that I seemingly can work with, I'm interested in testing clones. I have. TYC mutant agar pin, very short and huge fat cap, almost no stipe, that I took a clone of, got great growth, and have since transferred that. Curious as to wtf it is
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#24202293 - 03/29/17 10:38 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the great info and advice, I appreciate it every time someone replies.  I'll check out your teks in the near future. I been slacking this morning and got plates to pour and culture to transfer.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
#24202294 - 03/29/17 10:38 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Using spawn bags is awesome for testing cultures. The bags make great fruiting chambers, they are small, and they take up very little space.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#24202297 - 03/29/17 10:39 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Haha, the doggy bag. That name cracks me up
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PinPornProducer
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter] 1
#24202316 - 03/29/17 10:49 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I cloned this

And ended up with this

Then tried some different things and ended up with this

Tried some other things and ended up with this

Kept on trying different things until I finally got this

These are all the same culture (my #4 clone)
It just goes to show you how much conditions and slight sub ingredient changes can impact the outcome of the same culture
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: abductee]
#24202360 - 03/29/17 11:05 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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abductee said: ....and the hair off my back.

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Just gotta own your decision and manage your time and resources however best suits you.
sloppyjoe.... that is truth to be applied to life man.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24202409 - 03/29/17 11:28 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you guys think half inch (actually mine is just a little shy of a half inch) is too small a GE hole for a gallon jar? I use 1/2" on my quarts usually. I figured it'd be enough. I didn't realize until after that the bit I used was a little smaller than 1/2".
I can always add a second hole later
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PinPornProducer said: I cloned this

And ended up with this

Then tried some different things and ended up with this

Tried some other things and ended up with this

Kept on trying different things until I finally got this

These are all the same culture (my #4 clone)
It just goes to show you how much conditions and slight sub ingredient changes can impact the outcome of the same culture
Well done
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Moabfighter
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Won't quote the pics again, but PPP, that took you a decent amount of work, yeah?
Should a noob cloning, if it doesn't fruit good, change the clone culture, or change your substrate?
It'd be easier for the noob to just throw the culture away and find one that does work for their common substrate of choice, yeah?
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PinPornProducer
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
#24202489 - 03/29/17 12:09 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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It took some work but not much more than normal I guess. Basically just spawning tubs with different variables. I almost threw these cultures out but this culture was my most aggressive and I knew it had potential so I decided not to give up on it.
But yea I suppose ppl new to cloning could just toss out what doesn't work right away and keep what does but at the same time they could be tossing out a diamond in the rough
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Changa Alchemist
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
#24202496 - 03/29/17 12:11 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Moabfighter said: Won't quote the pics again, but PPP, that took you a decent amount of work, yeah?
Should a noob cloning, if it doesn't fruit good, change the clone culture, or change your substrate?
It'd be easier for the noob to just throw the culture away and find one that does work for their common substrate of choice, yeah?
Normally, the growers substrate of choice is likely the one the clone came from anyways.
Unless, such as in PPP's case, you've got several tubs of different variables going.
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PinPornProducer
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I actually cloned fruits from Muda style jars. I first spawned a couple ms tubs and got blobs so I then made up several ms Muda bottles and ended up getting several normal fruits that I took clones from. I then spawned some tubs under normal circumstances and got blobs. After that I started playing around with different variables
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#24202521 - 03/29/17 12:20 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Edmunter said: Greetings peoples. I have recieved my presso and raring to go. One thing though. I want to raise the bottom protector cooking rack up and need advice. What do you use?
Not sure Ed, I heard RR used tin foil balls but not sure what anyone else uses hint hint......
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