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Adas
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 2
#27982919 - 10/05/22 02:41 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Melatonin wouldn't work because it's not possible for the fungus to remove the 5-MeO group.
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kirkeng
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Adas] 2
#27982940 - 10/05/22 02:49 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Outside of any effect on the mushrooms, I like to include spent remnants of ayahuasca brews whenever I partake into a substrate. I claim no effect, though the process itself is cathartic and helpful for me to unpack those experiences, the mushrooms themselves that grow also help me to further understand the experience from ayahuasca. Do I think anything is actually happening no, though I would recommend it as a ritual for decompression after those types of experiences!
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: kirkeng] 3
#27982958 - 10/05/22 02:58 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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People trying to make more potent shrooms are awful at growing and are trying to still grow like crap but get away with a quick fix instead of just growing good mushrooms.
Mushboys sweeping generalization of the day.
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Guerrilla
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: kirkeng] 6
#27982986 - 10/05/22 03:13 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I'm looking for the exact science that proves or disproves this claim, not debates about why people might, or shouldn't do it. Though feel free to anyway. 
I can't speak on it, it obviously sounds like bullshit, but I was still curious to see if anybody had actually disproven the claims. Expensive / waste or not, the concept is still interesting, if it did have any merit to it.
The guy that posted it has been growing longer than the majority here have, which is why I didn't just laugh and move on.
I don't think it's about trying to grow more potent mushrooms, not in this case anyhow. Having a true love for mushrooms, you will try and learn anything and everything about them. You will play around with ideas, theories. For an experienced grower like this one, I think it's more about learning more about what mushrooms are capable of and adding a new element to growing, for shits and gigs, for passion, and for science.
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Edited by Guerrilla (10/05/22 03:14 PM)
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla] 4
#27982998 - 10/05/22 03:24 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Guerrilla said: I'm looking for the exact science that proves or disproves this claim, not debates about why people might, or shouldn't do it.
This shit is my jam right here
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Rotnpins
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] 2
#27983000 - 10/05/22 03:25 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Well worded.. I doubt I'd find the need to waste MHRB this way, but it's an interesting idea.. honestly, I don't think I'd have thought to use it as substrate.. and I'm curious if it's actually possible. Also, why/why not.
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Nichrome
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rotnpins]
#27983031 - 10/05/22 03:42 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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for science to eventually prove something too. Anything at all.....
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rotnpins] 3
#27983095 - 10/05/22 04:31 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Rotnpins said: Well worded.. I doubt I'd find the need to waste MHRB this way, but it's an interesting idea.. honestly, I don't think I'd have thought to use it as substrate.. and I'm curious if it's actually possible. Also, why/why not.

Psilocin is orally active DMT, the mushroom does this without any help.
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Screwup
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27983103 - 10/05/22 04:35 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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They’re entirely different drugs with entirely different effects no?
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Screwup]
#27983110 - 10/05/22 04:39 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Screwup said: They’re entirely different drugs with entirely different effects no?
Ok, I guess Denis McKenna didn't explain it clearly enough for you.
Np.
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Screwup
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27983113 - 10/05/22 04:40 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Oh I thought that was a music video when I clicked it and immediately scrolled lmao
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Rabbit84
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#27983119 - 10/05/22 04:43 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I have an old bag of Acacia Confusia powdered root bark that produced wonderful life changing experiences for me. I would be willing to use this as a sub on a shoebox grow. My question is, if this person is so sure they created orally active DMT this way, would I be able to grow oysters that have orally active DMT?
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Rusty2096
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Screwup] 1
#27983121 - 10/05/22 04:43 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I heard a (maybe too much) experienced user saying he thought that too, and that they both felt different and couldn't experience the same "breakthrough" with mushrooms... untill he took enough mushrooms. Then drastically changed his speech.
But yeah, technically speaking they are different even if the molecules are extremely similar.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla]
#27983126 - 10/05/22 04:50 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Guerrilla said:

Says, “ yes it does work! How? Not a clue” and then says “I’m one of the few people who have proven this”
Seems like there’s no actual proof that this works. I don’t know enough about organic chemistry to say why this would or wouldn’t work but I remember looking into this a few years ago when someone told me this works. I read something roger rabbit said about this that I thought was funny. I’m paraphrasing but assuming mushrooms will take up more alkaloids by adding it to the substrate is like assuming that to stop balding, you could just eat hair.
This idea has been around for a while and I’ve yet to see any proof that it works. We have the ability to test alkaloid potency. Has anyone run side by side potency tests to prove this works? If not, subjective ideas on potency is irrelevant.
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rabbit84] 1
#27983128 - 10/05/22 04:50 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Rabbit84 said: ... My question is, if this person is so sure they created orally active DMT this way, would I be able to grow oysters that have orally active DMT?
No, there's no biological mechanism available to produce this result; you don't ammend garden plants, mushrooms, etc with dmt containing substances and expect the target species to assimilate those compounds. It will not work.
The guy who grew mushrooms and then had a tryptamine experience ate tryptamine containing fungi 
Psilocybin dephosphorylates into Psilocin in your digestive system, Psilocin is orally active DMT
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 3
#27983133 - 10/05/22 04:52 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Just grow shrooms.
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27983137 - 10/05/22 04:54 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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mushboy said: Just grow shrooms.

If you want more orally active DMT then grow mushrooms with higher Psilocin content like pans, etc.....or just eat moar cubes
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27983139 - 10/05/22 04:56 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Eating more cubes is hard when you gotta nickel and dime every shitty grow
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 1
#27983142 - 10/05/22 04:57 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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maybe just boof some mhrb
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Screwup
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27983156 - 10/05/22 05:07 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Do nats give less visuals?
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