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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61]
    #27974756 - 09/29/22 10:43 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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So I grew some sunflowers and have tons of sunflower seeds.  Think sunflower seed spawn would work?  I'd like to grow stuff on stuff I've grown, lol.




Lots of commercially available wild bird seed blends have sunflower seeds in them. Back in the day, folks would advise to sift/pick/filter them out, or scoop the floaters off the surface of a pot of grain water.
But the past few years, I don’t see people care so much about removing them.

Anecdotally, my mycelium has never been bothered by them in a WBS blend, but I’ve never seen anyone try 100% sunflower spawn. I’m sure you could make it work. Might have to experiment with perfect hydration. And ultimately it may not serve as the best spawn. But I bet it’s do-able.

Love it when people use what they’ve got on hand. If you try it, keep us updated.




Rabbit, I just posted this somewhere:

"Willy Myco gives retarded wrong advice.

First, he tells people to painstakingly pick the sunflower seeds from WBS and toss them.

I grow only on WBS, shroom mycelium LOVES sunflower seeds. In fact, they're often the first thing to colonize....."


I bet shroom mycelium would grow on pure sunflower seeds, as long as they're not roasted or salted.

Try it with the seeds you grew. Will still need to PC (pressure cook) them.

If they don't work, try Pennington's classic wild bird seed. It's cheap at WalMart and works great.

More info in my sig line "things I wish I knew...."  link.




I'm just wondering how to properly hydrate.  Do you think I should boil and dry just like rye and oats?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rabbit84]
    #27974766 - 09/29/22 10:52 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Wbs works just soaking but I'd assume the hard outer seed hull would require some heat to soften the hull.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DERRAYLD] * 2
    #27974806 - 09/30/22 12:29 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I used to skim the sunflower seeds out of my WBS, until one day when I tried a jar or two of only the skimmed seeds just to see what happened. They ended up a little wet with FooMan's tek, but otherwise worked fine by themselves


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wild_aussie]
    #27974836 - 09/30/22 01:12 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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So I found that in my low Rh environment that bods grocery bag shoebox cover.  Like a charm but the bags don't stay up once the humidity builds up bag drops to the surface and well not good in the spots it touches.  Be fore warned many face palm moments.  So on hand I have wooden skewers I thought sweet make a tent popped one in each end pulled the bag over poked my holes BAM just what I was going for.  As most of you figured out raw wood in a moist warm area is contamination super spa. 
So my question can I sterilize bamboo skewers and have that work sterilized or will it still be a huge vector.  How about plastic straws or chop sticks I can sanitize just can sterilize.  Or if that's the route I want to go use metal and sterilize would this be the best option?
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Yea don't sterilize them that will only make the problem worse. Straws should work fine.
You can also just let the bag chill on the surface I'm guessing shouldn't be a big deal. There used to be a tek about using bubble wrap as a casing. Basically the plastic will cause a perfect microclimate at the surface. I actually fruit cakes similarly in pint jars I put a ziplock with corners cut off over the jars and push the excess of the bag down in the jars. When pins form they push the bag up and once they do it also increases FAE. Or something like that.

But yea I'd go with straws over wood or bamboo.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27974838 - 09/30/22 01:15 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Cool thanks.  Spots where the bag touched the colonizing surface would stop all colonizing in that spot or if was colonized would turn what looked like bruising but was trich I think.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rabbit84]
    #27974842 - 09/30/22 01:22 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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So I grew some sunflowers and have tons of sunflower seeds.  Think sunflower seed spawn would work?  I'd like to grow stuff on stuff I've grown, lol.




Lots of commercially available wild bird seed blends have sunflower seeds in them. Back in the day, folks would advise to sift/pick/filter them out, or scoop the floaters off the surface of a pot of grain water.
But the past few years, I don’t see people care so much about removing them.

Anecdotally, my mycelium has never been bothered by them in a WBS blend, but I’ve never seen anyone try 100% sunflower spawn. I’m sure you could make it work. Might have to experiment with perfect hydration. And ultimately it may not serve as the best spawn. But I bet it’s do-able.

Love it when people use what they’ve got on hand. If you try it, keep us updated.




Rabbit, I just posted this somewhere:

"Willy Myco gives retarded wrong advice.

First, he tells people to painstakingly pick the sunflower seeds from WBS and toss them.

I grow only on WBS, shroom mycelium LOVES sunflower seeds. In fact, they're often the first thing to colonize....."


I bet shroom mycelium would grow on pure sunflower seeds, as long as they're not roasted or salted.

Try it with the seeds you grew. Will still need to PC (pressure cook) them.

If they don't work, try Pennington's classic wild bird seed. It's cheap at WalMart and works great.

More info in my sig line "things I wish I knew...."  link.




I'm just wondering how to properly hydrate.  Do you think I should boil and dry just like rye and oats?



If they've never been dried I'm willing to bet not much hydration is needed. I'd try just soaking first. If that didn't work then try another method. It would probably be something you have to figure out yourself since it's not a grain that is commonly used by itself in mush cult.
Maybe even try to prep small batches in several different ways and see which performs better overall.
I for one would be very interested to see your results. If you do end up doing it and testing hydration methods.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Grind365] * 2
    #27974894 - 09/30/22 03:16 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

No need to pick out the seeds but they have a high fat to starch ratio. I wouldnt buy just sunflower seeds as it would cost way more.  Wbs is pretty expensive as it is.  If u dont have access to feed stores its your best option but feed grains are much cheaper IME


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rabbit84]
    #27974907 - 09/30/22 03:52 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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I'm just wondering how to properly hydrate.  Do you think I should boil and dry just like rye and oats?





WBS contains sunflower seeds. I prep WBS by washing and straining 5 times. Then I soak in warm tap water for 8 to 16 hours. Then strain and put in jars.

I use s spaghetti strainer for the 5 times plus the after soak. But then I put them on a window screen in a wooden frame, and spread them out to dry a bit. 20 min or so. I put some in a jar and spread the rest on the screen and wait a few more min.

If it's really humid I'll put a fan on them. Don't put the fan on the PC though, will cool it too much to reach 15 psi.

No boil needed.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Grind365]
    #27975002 - 09/30/22 06:31 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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If they've never been dried I'm willing to bet not much hydration is needed. I'd try just soaking first.




I was just thinking about this.

Rabbit, if you grew them yourself and haven’t dried them, try soaking them fresh and I bet they’ll turn out great.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] * 2
    #27975016 - 09/30/22 06:47 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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I bet shroom mycelium would grow on pure sunflower seeds, as long as they're not roasted or salted.

Try it with the seeds you grew. Will still need to PC (pressure cook) them.

If they don't work, try Pennington's classic wild bird seed. It's cheap at WalMart and works great.

More info in my sig line "things I wish I knew...."  link.





That would be funny if the original anti sunflower seed sentiment of the early 2000's was started because some knob tried to grow on David's Sunflower Seeds


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
    #27975019 - 09/30/22 06:51 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

They do grow on flax/sunflower seeds, it just sucks. :smile:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rabbit84]
    #27975113 - 09/30/22 08:51 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Not that this is directly an answer to your question, but I think it would be cool to sterilize and inoculate a whole sunflower head.




Ummmm... Me too!  Now how the heck do I sterilize an 18" diameter sunflower...




Wrap that thang in a ton of foil, keep it from sitting on the bottom of the PC, and voila lol


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27975117 - 09/30/22 08:55 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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They do grow on flax/sunflower seeds, it just sucks. :smile:




agree. sucked when i tried:thumbdown:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #27975119 - 09/30/22 08:57 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

hey grandpa good to see ya, where you been all autumn?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 3
    #27975122 - 09/30/22 09:00 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

im not even 40:oldman: ...almost tho:mad2:

im been arguing elsewhere but im still here. gonna drop some plates to grains monday. cultures look weak but i dont want to discriminate.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb] * 3
    #27975127 - 09/30/22 09:07 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Not that this is directly an answer to your question, but I think it would be cool to sterilize and inoculate a whole sunflower head.




Ummmm... Me too!  Now how the heck do I sterilize an 18" diameter sunflower...




Wrap that thang in a ton of foil, keep it from sitting on the bottom of the PC, and voila lol





I’ve got an idea…would require a smaller seedhead and a clean LC, But what if you used two glass pie plates?

Put a thick layer of field capacity CV in the bottom of one Pyrex pie dish, nestled the seedhead down into the CV, face up, so that the seeds were just a lil above the surface of the CV. Pack a second layer of a bit more substrate around the edges of the flower, leaving seeds exposed. Invert second glass pie plate over the top, setting lip to lip. Double seal a ring of micropore around the outside edge where the lips meet. Foil the whole thing up tight. PC for a couple hours.

Once cool, in a SAB or in front of a flow, carefully use a syringe, inserted between the lips of the plates to spray a bit of LC towards the center at the seeds.

Then wait, and show off results on the novelty thread forum.
If Properly hydrated, the CV bed could plausibly provide all the moisture the myc would need to colonize the face of the seed head and fruit. Like a Muda bottle, but flying saucer shaped

I dunno man :bonghit2:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] * 3
    #27975327 - 09/30/22 12:51 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Fellas, use your rocker weight on your PC. This is my first time using the rocker, and you don’t have to watch it at all. When I taped quarters to the weight, I had to continuously monitor it so it wouldn’t fall below pressure or go above 20. It was a delicate balance. Turns out the rocker does this for you.

Use the rocker.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
    #27975339 - 09/30/22 01:06 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Fellas, use your rocker weight on your PC. This is my first time using the rocker, and you don’t have to watch it at all. When I taped quarters to the weight, I had to continuously monitor it so it wouldn’t fall below pressure or go above 20. It was a delicate balance. Turns out the rocker does this for you.

Use the rocker.




Yes but the trade off is that you lose water. On long runs with bags you can run out of water and melt the bags. Just be careful.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27975342 - 09/30/22 01:09 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

That’s my concern. This is my first run so I’m hoping I don’t have that problem. Doing 2 and a half hours. We’ll see what happens. Trial and error is a big part of everything here so you know. No regerts.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420] * 1
    #27975344 - 09/30/22 01:11 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Also make sure you turn your stove down once it hits pressure or else you will just boil off all your water.

Also, I get so annoyed of the constant hiss that I just prefer the extra weight to keep it quiet. There a plenty of reasons why people put extra weight on it haha


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