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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27970184 - 09/27/22 05:16 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Ya, depriving them of oxygen is exactly what you want
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla] 1
#27970191 - 09/27/22 05:29 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I thought he meant unused poured plates. Plastic ones may or may not survive the vacuum packaging process.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Adas] 4
#27970195 - 09/27/22 05:37 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Ah yes he didn't clarify that, mb.
And good point, my vac sealer has an inching button so you can pull a vacuum to any desired amount and seal at any point so I didn't even think of that.
Just sacrificed a plate and a full vacuum crushes the plate.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla] 3
#27970200 - 09/27/22 05:47 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Guerrilla said:
Just sacrificed a plate and a full vacuum crushes the plate.

Damn, taking one for the team…
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Yeah I meant colonized plates.
A friend vacuum sealed some and put them in the fridge. Im assuming the lack of air won’t be an issue but I’ve never tried it myself.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27970299 - 09/27/22 08:28 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Nope no issue, it'll prolong their life.
My plates are cheap so you might not have a problem with a full vacuum.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] 1
#27970330 - 09/27/22 09:01 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Yeah I meant colonized plates.
A friend vacuum sealed some and put them in the fridge. I'm assuming the lack of air won’t be an issue but I’ve never tried it myself.
Lack of air should be fine. Wedges from edible cultures can be stored long-term in sterilized water. (I do this with hot weather species I don't want to put on a slant and into the fridge). The lack of air induces dormancy, the water keeps it from drying out, and the agar provides nutrition for what metabolism is there.
As long as they don't dry out, (and you don't run your vacuum sealer full blast and crush the plates), I think your friend's method would be good.
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Quote:
paperbackwriter said:
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A.k.a said: Yeah I meant colonized plates.
A friend vacuum sealed some and put them in the fridge. I'm assuming the lack of air won’t be an issue but I’ve never tried it myself.
Lack of air should be fine. Wedges from edible cultures can be stored long-term in sterilized water. (I do this with hot weather species I don't want to put on a slant and into the fridge). The lack of air induces dormancy, the water keeps it from drying out, and the agar provides nutrition for what metabolism is there.
As long as they don't dry out, (and you don't run your vacuum sealer full blast and crush the plates), I think your friend's method would be good.
I've used LC more than a year after inoculation, completely sealed and stored on a dark, room temperature shelf.
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Quote:
smalltalk_canceled said: FIMETARIA POST its 24.09 of september (repeat)
and ive seen activity again the last days
fimetarias are popping up (2-3 small fruits 6h ago) after the day/night temps hit sub 15 and 2-3 days of raining which again coincides towards aututmn fruiter understanding of fimetaria and its general similarily with semilanceata
then again in my country there's semis fruiting sometimes in august and the question of whether or not they TRULY share habitat
recently also ran across a guy who claimed fimetarias only fruited from manure
there's a race going on to find the first fimetaria in my country now, get a ITS sequence ID since its a national first
tonight at a drug reform party i met one of the 2 persons who possible sent me the fimetaria printed as semilanceata, and he swore a holy oath to search for it every season the rest of his life
back in the day, 7 years ago, anglerfish a cool guy here at the forums, made a post about finding fimetaria in norway the first time, ID by microscopy
but learning from my own semi/fimetaria find/scandal, microscopy is not hard science. its soft evidence.
only ITS sequences is hard evidence, so anglerfish doesnt constitute a find applicable as hard evidence and documentable to the state,
im this year gathering the pictures of what people post as semilancetas... watching ID threads.
im seeing the brown "bruising" or pigment on some stems that first time pickers post of fruits posted as semilanceatas, to me looking like also fimetara-possibles
ive yet to see a norwegian wild fimetaria annulus in those threads tho
not that fimetarias dont actually exist in my country, i mean, they are growing in my garden so fuck you anyone who thinks they cant make it here.. im 200% sure we'll see them there next year too
I grow psilocybe dang butt
With regard to P.fimetaria only growing on manure, I think what is generally meant by this is that it only grows from manure in a natural setting / the wild. It doesn't mean that one can't artificially cultivate them through other media, like you have. I am not aware of P. fimetaria ever being found in the wild growing from anything other than cow or horse manure - I'm not saying it's impossible, but I am not aware of any evidence.
Also, I am sure P. fimetaria must grow in Norway...keep looking
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27972304 - 09/28/22 01:50 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Saw a postQuote:
A.k.a said: Yeah I meant colonized plates.
A friend vacuum sealed some and put them in the fridge. Im assuming the lack of air won’t be an issue but I’ve never tried it myself.
I read a post here less than a week ago. Someone claimed he vac sealed his plates and they all died quickly to lack of air. He also posted the pictures. I'll try find that post and link it if I do.
Edit: Damn I can't find it. I could swear it was... like less than 10 days ago. Tried using the Shroomery search engine and Google with "search keywords site:shroomery.org" but no luck
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DH42]
#27972375 - 09/28/22 02:24 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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DH42 said:
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smalltalk_canceled said: FIMETARIA POST its 24.09 of september (repeat)
and ive seen activity again the last days
fimetarias are popping up (2-3 small fruits 6h ago) after the day/night temps hit sub 15 and 2-3 days of raining which again coincides towards aututmn fruiter understanding of fimetaria and its general similarily with semilanceata
then again in my country there's semis fruiting sometimes in august and the question of whether or not they TRULY share habitat
recently also ran across a guy who claimed fimetarias only fruited from manure
there's a race going on to find the first fimetaria in my country now, get a ITS sequence ID since its a national first
tonight at a drug reform party i met one of the 2 persons who possible sent me the fimetaria printed as semilanceata, and he swore a holy oath to search for it every season the rest of his life
back in the day, 7 years ago, anglerfish a cool guy here at the forums, made a post about finding fimetaria in norway the first time, ID by microscopy
but learning from my own semi/fimetaria find/scandal, microscopy is not hard science. its soft evidence.
only ITS sequences is hard evidence, so anglerfish doesnt constitute a find applicable as hard evidence and documentable to the state,
im this year gathering the pictures of what people post as semilancetas... watching ID threads.
im seeing the brown "bruising" or pigment on some stems that first time pickers post of fruits posted as semilanceatas, to me looking like also fimetara-possibles
ive yet to see a norwegian wild fimetaria annulus in those threads tho
not that fimetarias dont actually exist in my country, i mean, they are growing in my garden so fuck you anyone who thinks they cant make it here.. im 200% sure we'll see them there next year too
I grow psilocybe dang butt
With regard to P.fimetaria only growing on manure, I think what is generally meant by this is that it only grows from manure in a natural setting / the wild. It doesn't mean that one can't artificially cultivate them through other media, like you have. I am not aware of P. fimetaria ever being found in the wild growing from anything other than cow or horse manure - I'm not saying it's impossible, but I am not aware of any evidence.
Also, I am sure P. fimetaria must grow in Norway...keep looking 
Well the supporting factor is that swedish state registration
https://www.artdatabanken.se/
has six 'observations' of psilocybe fimetaria, making it likely they could exist rare or not in norway as well.
im surprised to see the manure theory lifed by 3-4 different persons by now, what is the basis?
do we have 3 (!) dung only psilocybes in sweden/norway, fimetaria, subcoprophilia, and coprophilia? that all only fruit from dung?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] 1
#27974397 - 09/29/22 06:52 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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So I grew some sunflowers and have tons of sunflower seeds. Think sunflower seed spawn would work? I'd like to grow stuff on stuff I've grown, lol.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rabbit84]
#27974400 - 09/29/22 06:55 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Not that this is directly an answer to your question, but I think it would be cool to sterilize and inoculate a whole sunflower head.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#27974430 - 09/29/22 07:12 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: Not that this is directly an answer to your question, but I think it would be cool to sterilize and inoculate a whole sunflower head.
Ummmm... Me too! Now how the heck do I sterilize an 18" diameter sunflower...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rabbit84]
#27974449 - 09/29/22 07:26 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder if you could use dried/crushed sunflower stalk for bulk?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] 1
#27974518 - 09/29/22 08:05 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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So I found that in my low Rh environment that bods grocery bag shoebox cover. Like a charm but the bags don't stay up once the humidity builds up bag drops to the surface and well not good in the spots it touches. Be fore warned many face palm moments. So on hand I have wooden skewers I thought sweet make a tent popped one in each end pulled the bag over poked my holes BAM just what I was going for. As most of you figured out raw wood in a moist warm area is contamination super spa. So my question can I sterilize bamboo skewers and have that work sterilized or will it still be a huge vector. How about plastic straws or chop sticks I can sanitize just can sterilize. Or if that's the route I want to go use metal and sterilize would this be the best option? Thanks all
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rabbit84]
#27974524 - 09/29/22 08:07 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Rabbit84 said: So I grew some sunflowers and have tons of sunflower seeds. Think sunflower seed spawn would work? I'd like to grow stuff on stuff I've grown, lol.
Lots of commercially available wild bird seed blends have sunflower seeds in them. Back in the day, folks would advise to sift/pick/filter them out, or scoop the floaters off the surface of a pot of grain water. But the past few years, I don’t see people care so much about removing them.
Anecdotally, my mycelium has never been bothered by them in a WBS blend, but I’ve never seen anyone try 100% sunflower spawn. I’m sure you could make it work. Might have to experiment with perfect hydration. And ultimately it may not serve as the best spawn. But I bet it’s do-able.
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Im pretty sure i have seen someone post a jar full of sunflower seed and it was perfect.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rusty2096]
#27974679 - 09/29/22 09:34 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Rusty2096 said: Edit: Damn I can't find it. I could swear it was... like less than 10 days ago. Tried using the Shroomery search engine and Google with "search keywords site:shroomery.org" but no luck 
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Rabbit84 said: So I grew some sunflowers and have tons of sunflower seeds. Think sunflower seed spawn would work? I'd like to grow stuff on stuff I've grown, lol.
Lots of commercially available wild bird seed blends have sunflower seeds in them. Back in the day, folks would advise to sift/pick/filter them out, or scoop the floaters off the surface of a pot of grain water. But the past few years, I don’t see people care so much about removing them.
Anecdotally, my mycelium has never been bothered by them in a WBS blend, but I’ve never seen anyone try 100% sunflower spawn. I’m sure you could make it work. Might have to experiment with perfect hydration. And ultimately it may not serve as the best spawn. But I bet it’s do-able.
Love it when people use what they’ve got on hand. If you try it, keep us updated.
Rabbit, I just posted this somewhere:
"Willy Myco gives retarded wrong advice.
First, he tells people to painstakingly pick the sunflower seeds from WBS and toss them.
I grow only on WBS, shroom mycelium LOVES sunflower seeds. In fact, they're often the first thing to colonize....."
I bet shroom mycelium would grow on pure sunflower seeds, as long as they're not roasted or salted.
Try it with the seeds you grew. Will still need to PC (pressure cook) them.
If they don't work, try Pennington's classic wild bird seed. It's cheap at WalMart and works great.
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