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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wild_aussie]
#27917325 - 08/24/22 09:23 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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What is your guys preferred simmer time for wbs? I am getting more burst kernals than I'd like to see but they are bursting post sterilization cycle. I am soaking overnight then simmering until the largest grains show complete hydration when cut open. I am not seeing many burst grains at this point. I then dry them throughout the day until they are completely dry on the outside. After loading the grain into jars and pressure cooking for 2 hours I am seeing a lot of burst grains. Not at the bottom like when jars get warter in them during a pc cycle but throughout the jars. Grains still seem to perform well and aren't clumping or anything but I don't like all the burst grains I'm getting. When I skip the soak and simmer for less time I seem to get a lot less burst kernels but the grains are just too dry and aren't performing as well. I know there's got to be a happy medium here what works for you guys?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wild_aussie]
#27917331 - 08/24/22 09:30 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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wild_aussie said: So my pf cakes I noc'ed up on 8/4 with lc 1ml peu per cake sprayed on top well they are about 95% colonized but throwing shrooms! So dunk and roll? Wanted to use H2O tub but will SB if needed. Thanks 21 days after inoculation with lc
I don't have an answer to your question. I just wanted to say that seems really slow for LC. I have 2 cakes I inoculated with MS on 8/4 that are only a couple days out from being %100. Also the fact that the growth has stalled indicates contamination. Test your LC on a plate to see if it's clean. I'd stay away from LC completely until you get everything down pat. Then again I hate LC I can't ever get it right just not skilled enough I guess lol.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Grind365]
#27917428 - 08/24/22 11:12 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Grind365 said: What is your guys preferred simmer time for wbs? I am getting more burst kernals than I'd like to see but they are bursting post sterilization cycle. I am soaking overnight then simmering until the largest grains show complete hydration when cut open. I am not seeing many burst grains at this point. I then dry them throughout the day until they are completely dry on the outside. After loading the grain into jars and pressure cooking for 2 hours I am seeing a lot of burst grains. Not at the bottom like when jars get warter in them during a pc cycle but throughout the jars. Grains still seem to perform well and aren't clumping or anything but I don't like all the burst grains I'm getting. When I skip the soak and simmer for less time I seem to get a lot less burst kernels but the grains are just too dry and aren't performing as well. I know there's got to be a happy medium here what works for you guys?
I like to soak my wbs for 24 hrs then I fooman soak it in hot water for about 5-10 minutes. Then strain for about 5 minutes.
I lay it on paper towel lined cookie sheets for about 30 minutes to dry. I load the jars and PC.
It works great! A few grains usually bust but no worries.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Grind365] 1
#27917433 - 08/24/22 11:19 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Sup everyone. I'm new here. Started with MS to MEA and I'm pretty sure I got some good plates. I just transferred to 6 qts of rye spawn. This is so fun. I was wondering if this is the right place to ask questions and post pictures of agar plates to see if they look good. I'm just hoping I don't have contamination because I don't really know what to look for.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rabbit84]
#27917444 - 08/24/22 11:39 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Rabbit84 said: Sup everyone. I'm new here. Started with MS to MEA and I'm pretty sure I got some good plates. I just transferred to 6 qts of rye spawn. This is so fun. I was wondering if this is the right place to ask questions and post pictures of agar plates to see if they look good. I'm just hoping I don't have contamination because I don't really know what to look for.
What's up homie! Welcome to the Shroomery!
You can post pics here and ask for help anytime.
You might want to post some over on the Agar envy thread for more specialized responses.
You can also ask questions in the Ask quick questions get quick answers thread. It is a pretty awesome page.
Good luck!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rabbit84]
#27917448 - 08/24/22 11:41 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Does this look normal? It filled the gap between the grain and the lid.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wildcat1883]
#27917455 - 08/24/22 11:46 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Looks like you have some fusarium going on in that jar. Or maybe something pink is sitting close to it playing camera tricks? Looks pink to me. Fusarium is a type of mold.
That doesn't look right if it is cube mycelium.
How did you inoculate the jar?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Vibetyme] 1
#27917457 - 08/24/22 11:48 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Vibetyme said:
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Grind365 said: What is your guys preferred simmer time for wbs? I am getting more burst kernals than I'd like to see but they are bursting post sterilization cycle. I am soaking overnight then simmering until the largest grains show complete hydration when cut open. I am not seeing many burst grains at this point. I then dry them throughout the day until they are completely dry on the outside. After loading the grain into jars and pressure cooking for 2 hours I am seeing a lot of burst grains. Not at the bottom like when jars get warter in them during a pc cycle but throughout the jars. Grains still seem to perform well and aren't clumping or anything but I don't like all the burst grains I'm getting. When I skip the soak and simmer for less time I seem to get a lot less burst kernels but the grains are just too dry and aren't performing as well. I know there's got to be a happy medium here what works for you guys?
I like to soak my wbs for 24 hrs then I fooman soak it in hot water for about 5-10 minutes. Then strain for about 5 minutes.
I lay it on paper towel lined cookie sheets for about 30 minutes to dry. I load the jars and PC.
It works great! A few grains usually bust but no worries.
Sounds good I'll try it out. I don't mind a few burst grains but the last run had a whole gang of burst grains. I guess I'm used to prepping oats, barley and wheat so I was trying to do it like I used to do those grains. I no longer have a source for wheat or barley and I don't like oats so I went back to wbs. I guess it's a little easier to prep than oats in that the drying is not as vital? Thanks for the reply Vibe. 👍
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Grind365]
#27917475 - 08/25/22 12:34 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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This is the agar dish I used to inoculate the oat jars in a sab.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Grind365]
#27917498 - 08/25/22 01:13 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Grind365 said:
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Vibetyme said:
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Grind365 said: What is your guys preferred simmer time for wbs? I am getting more burst kernals than I'd like to see but they are bursting post sterilization cycle. I am soaking overnight then simmering until the largest grains show complete hydration when cut open. I am not seeing many burst grains at this point. I then dry them throughout the day until they are completely dry on the outside. After loading the grain into jars and pressure cooking for 2 hours I am seeing a lot of burst grains. Not at the bottom like when jars get warter in them during a pc cycle but throughout the jars. Grains still seem to perform well and aren't clumping or anything but I don't like all the burst grains I'm getting. When I skip the soak and simmer for less time I seem to get a lot less burst kernels but the grains are just too dry and aren't performing as well. I know there's got to be a happy medium here what works for you guys?
I like to soak my wbs for 24 hrs then I fooman soak it in hot water for about 5-10 minutes. Then strain for about 5 minutes.
I lay it on paper towel lined cookie sheets for about 30 minutes to dry. I load the jars and PC.
It works great! A few grains usually bust but no worries.
Sounds good I'll try it out. I don't mind a few burst grains but the last run had a whole gang of burst grains. I guess I'm used to prepping oats, barley and wheat so I was trying to do it like I used to do those grains. I no longer have a source for wheat or barley and I don't like oats so I went back to wbs. I guess it's a little easier to prep than oats in that the drying is not as vital? Thanks for the reply Vibe. 👍
I know this isn't answering your question directly, but I've moved away from WBS and using only no-prep millet, works perfectly every time. Here is the tek https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27318708
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wildcat1883]
#27917499 - 08/25/22 01:13 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Why would you use that dish? There isn't even defined mycelium, you have a block of overlay.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: schpat]
#27917506 - 08/25/22 01:18 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Grind365 said:
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Vibetyme said:
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Grind365 said: What is your guys preferred simmer time for wbs? I am getting more burst kernals than I'd like to see but they are bursting post sterilization cycle. I am soaking overnight then simmering until the largest grains show complete hydration when cut open. I am not seeing many burst grains at this point. I then dry them throughout the day until they are completely dry on the outside. After loading the grain into jars and pressure cooking for 2 hours I am seeing a lot of burst grains. Not at the bottom like when jars get warter in them during a pc cycle but throughout the jars. Grains still seem to perform well and aren't clumping or anything but I don't like all the burst grains I'm getting. When I skip the soak and simmer for less time I seem to get a lot less burst kernels but the grains are just too dry and aren't performing as well. I know there's got to be a happy medium here what works for you guys?
I like to soak my wbs for 24 hrs then I fooman soak it in hot water for about 5-10 minutes. Then strain for about 5 minutes.
I lay it on paper towel lined cookie sheets for about 30 minutes to dry. I load the jars and PC.
It works great! A few grains usually bust but no worries.
Sounds good I'll try it out. I don't mind a few burst grains but the last run had a whole gang of burst grains. I guess I'm used to prepping oats, barley and wheat so I was trying to do it like I used to do those grains. I no longer have a source for wheat or barley and I don't like oats so I went back to wbs. I guess it's a little easier to prep than oats in that the drying is not as vital? Thanks for the reply Vibe. 👍
I know this isn't answering your question directly, but I've moved away from WBS and using only no-prep millet, works perfectly every time. Here is the tek https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27318708
Where are you finding straight millet? Im having a lot of trouble sourcing grains around here. Went back to wbs because I can always go to Wally world and grab a bag of Pennington's relatively cheap.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Grind365]
#27917511 - 08/25/22 01:24 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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He's from South Africa, we get straight millet and wbs readily here.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27917525 - 08/25/22 01:50 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Hey guys, wondering if I could get some quick advice about shoeboxes. I've tried looking (and searching) but it seems like most people prefer to just avoid this issue entirely by securing the correct type of shoebox in the first place and setting and forgetting the bastards.
This is definitely something I'm going to try on my next grow (I love you, Munchauzen).
I have 'shoeboxes' going right now that are not really shoeboxes and are actually just 7.5L (6.6Q) tubs (unmodified). My problem is - they have a gasket and are essentially 'air-tight'. They look like this:

In my ignorance I did not realise the significance of this as an FAE / GE issue in which the OG shoeboxes avoid with their haphazardly fitted lids.
Because they're air-tight I'm worried that they are going to fuck up.
Any tips on how to avoid this? Right now I'm thinking of drilling a few small holes near the tops to allow for some gas exchange. Another option is to just open them every now and again to let the dogs breathe.
They are currently sitting inside some traditional monos à la Munch's Shoebox Method
Any recommendations are very welcome, I'm still very new to this shit. Cheers guys.
Edited by the cosmic giggle (08/25/22 02:01 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27917526 - 08/25/22 01:50 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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This is the agar dish I used to inoculate the oat jars in a sab. Quote:
DERRAYLD said: Why would you use that dish? There isn't even defined mycelium, you have a block of overlay.
Well simply I don’t know what I’m doing. First I’m hearing of overlay.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wildcat1883]
#27917530 - 08/25/22 01:57 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Go to the agar envy thread and browse through what healthy mycelium looks like.
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the cosmic giggle said: I have 'shoeboxes' going right now that are not really shoeboxes and are actually just 7.5L (6.6Q) tubs (unmodified). My problem is - they have a gasket and are essentially 'air-tight'. They look like this:

from: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK
 Flip the lid upside down.This creates air gaps around the 4 lid locks which is important for allowing air exchange as well as substrate moisture regulation.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wildcat1883]
#27917577 - 08/25/22 03:31 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Wildcat1883 said: This is the agar dish I used to inoculate the oat jars in a sab. Quote:
DERRAYLD said: Why would you use that dish? There isn't even defined mycelium, you have a block of overlay.
Well simply I don’t know what I’m doing. First I’m hearing of overlay.
What type is that supposed to be??
You might be growing oysters also. It’s unusual for even contaminated cube myc to fill the jar like that, and some of the edges of that plate look a lot like pins forming.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shigmon] 1
#27917579 - 08/25/22 03:33 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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shigmon said:
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the cosmic giggle said: I have 'shoeboxes' going right now that are not really shoeboxes and are actually just 7.5L (6.6Q) tubs (unmodified). My problem is - they have a gasket and are essentially 'air-tight'. They look like this:

from: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK
 Flip the lid upside down.This creates air gaps around the 4 lid locks which is important for allowing air exchange as well as substrate moisture regulation.
Remove the rubber seal and you don't have to flip a thing.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DERRAYLD] 1
#27917580 - 08/25/22 03:39 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks dudes, I thought the rubber seals would be more difficult to remove but it's definitely possible. Going to go with that, cheers!
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