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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27893679 - 08/07/22 01:49 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I got some bulk sheet filter fabric( uncut sfd sheet) I've never used sfd before just making sure the smooth side down correct?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #27893681 - 08/07/22 01:51 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Your skepticism is awesome but not warranted with bods guides they are pretty solid and avoids dated gimmicky shit.

Except floating subs I don’t understand that one :shrug:



Floating subs, as in filling a shoebox with water to float your cake to the top of your tub?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
    #27893687 - 08/07/22 02:02 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

No an entire 55gal tub sized substrate.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27893694 - 08/07/22 02:17 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

So this lc was noc'ed up 7 days ago with agar piece nats.  I haven't checked in 3 days and saw this growing on top I'm not asking is this is clean is this growth normal if not agitated or swirled. Thanks


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: grain] * 2
    #27893755 - 08/07/22 03:23 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Get yourself an incense stick and use that to test out your box. I'm pretty sure you'll see a lot of trapped, recirculating air. In the top down lab setups I've seen, they have to make special efforts to engineer them to prevent eddies. The entire top of the box is the filter, to create an even laminar flow. The bottom is designed to direct air out. The corners and angles are designed to prevent eddies. That "filter" on the bottom is just where all of the spores are being blown, stored and then picked back up on the eddies and dropped right into whatever you're working on. I had luck with a box fan, until I didn't. I have a proper FFU now and the difference is night and day. Good luck! You've got a great attitude!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wild_aussie]
    #27893963 - 08/07/22 06:19 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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wild_aussie said:
I misspoke I meant lime I was talking about calcium carbonate with my girl girl and typed what I said not what I was thinking.  Sorry my bad on that.  I was wondering if all that was needed or just a coir/verm casing or will it fruit if I leave it as is.




Your girl girl did what? lol

I do fine with just a pseudo case (using same as what's in the mix below) with no addatives.

I use a quarter inch of fine verm on top, that's all.

Below with the coir / verm / spawn I use medium verm, but when I've been out of one or the other I've used medium on top or fine below without issues. But I have better growth for sure using the pseudo case than not using it.

I also use a liner, always.

There is some old info that's not used anymore of adding case for PE only after you see pins, but that's not needed anymore, per Fhat, and he's growing eye-popping PE all day every day.

So I add the pseudo case when I make up the SB, not later. I use a liner, mix the coir / verm / spawn to field capacity in a different SB, sometimes a double-size one, 16 quart, if I have one handy (is hard to mix right in with liner), then ladle it into the SB with the liner (double sides of non-scented trash bag). I don't pack it, just lay it in, but make sure it get into all 4 corners. Then sprinkle on the pseudo case on top, mist the pseudo case well, trim the liner, put the lid on upside down, and put in shroom room.

Other people do different, but I think that using additives to casing is usually done with other species that are more picky about pH, and was done more in general in the past with cubes when people didn't have it dialed in to get clean spawn.

That latest SB you grew looks good, so I assume you have clean spawn.

but really, I've seen people on here grow great shrooms of all kinds with just pseudo case or even with no case.

But I tend to get side pins more if I don't use some verm up top to hold in moisture to make better top surface conditions.

Liner color doesn't matter. It's not about keeping light out. I've had same results using black, white, and even clear bags.

What I've heard is that it's about preventing little pockets of moist air around edges and bottom that make side pins more likely.  You want your best grow conditions on the top, not the side and bottom of the tub.

I'm sure someone will chime in now who does something different, but I don't see a lot of people adding ph changers to casing except with Nats and Pan cyan.

There are a lot of posts on doing that with cubes from a decade or more ago but back in shroom dark ages when not a lot of people could get clean spawn.

There is Calcium Carbonate in WBS, it's the grit added to help birds' "dino gullets." It's not very soluble, falls to the bottom when you wash the WBS, looks like white/ gray sand. I wash most of it down the sink while washing 5 times to prep before an 8 to 16 hour soak. I sort of pan for gold with it and toss it in each wash.

I just searched Calcium Carbonate on here, didn't find much in past 5 years for cubes except that.

I also just learned that the other thing you mentioned "Coco peat" is coco coir, per Bod:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24859750#24859750

Some people use that in casing here (still a pseudo casing if it's below too), but I'm really of the opinion that casings beyond a little verm is not needed. Some people growing fat shrooms here do that though, but some people growing fat shrooms do not.

I use it because I sometimes get side pins / bottom pins if not.

Bod doesn't:
"a casing layer is like bringing a date with you to a party. it makes you feel confident and not alone out there in the vast world. or you can skip the casing and be there to bang all the hot people. not sure if that helps but I don't use casing layers for cubes"

He also doesn't use verm with his spawn. Just coir.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #27895746 - 08/09/22 11:19 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

hopping back into cult after some time off - been having fun reading what everyone has been up 2
what are the chances my spores are still alive after having spent some months in a hot storage unit ? :facepalm:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: monkey_accident]
    #27895762 - 08/09/22 11:34 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

i bet they’re still good

spores survive in the wild in hot storage units quite often

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: san pedro guy]
    #27895771 - 08/09/22 11:42 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

hell yea - im going to be throwing a bunch on plates here soon :rockon:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #27895792 - 08/09/22 12:01 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

@nektar61 so you do your SB like a of jar?  Keep the substrate loose and airy also the pseudo casing?  I usually use a small pseudo casing myself just had read about the PE (cvl) casing thank you for sharing more to research. Also I put coir peat but forgot the , coir,peat not cocopeat to me coco goes in brownies lol
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27896567 - 08/09/22 09:11 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

So thought a jar of millet looked like a little bit of yeast so I shook it!  Thank God for filters a yellowish brown powder exploded from the seed luckily contained by the jar.  Wow that was freaky


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: monkey_accident]
    #27896699 - 08/09/22 11:41 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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hopping back into cult after some time off - been having fun reading what everyone has been up 2
what are the chances my spores are still alive after having spent some months in a hot storage unit ? :facepalm:




few months, probably good. Few years, probably not.

Next time put them somewhere not hot if you can. Any temp above freezing is good. Room temp is OK, fridge may be better, but not if they get damp.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion: Bulk Tub: How to progress? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27896706 - 08/09/22 11:51 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Dried 'em, capsuled 'em, dropped 'em. All Good :-)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion: Bulk Tub: How to progress? [Re: new2u]
    #27896712 - 08/09/22 11:57 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Is a FFU the same as a flow hood?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion: Bulk Tub: How to progress? [Re: Inocuole]
    #27896736 - 08/10/22 12:21 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Hi,

Just cos I had some grown broth and (coir heavy) compost to get rid of, I decided to do a Tek variation. Seemed to be growing slow but OK, no contamination, just left it going. Just looked recently and saw this orangey stuff.
Bin it, leave it, Any thoughts?





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Re: Cultivation General Discussion: Bulk Tub: How to progress? [Re: new2u]
    #27896754 - 08/10/22 12:38 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Hi,

Just cos I had some grown broth and (coir heavy) compost to get rid of, I decided to do a Tek variation. Seemed to be growing slow but OK, no contamination, just left it going. Just looked recently and saw this orangey stuff.
Bin it, leave it, Any thoughts?





Welcome, new shroomer.

I would highly recommend NOT doing variations of known teks or "experiments" until you master the basics. Almost always leads to failure. Is like flying a plane before you can drive a car.

This looks like metabolites, yellow / orange liquid is not uncommon.

Commonly mis-called "shroom piss." Is from mycelium dealing with some kind of stress.

Can come from heat, not enough oxygen, etc. But most often comes from some contam. Not all contams are visible.

Some people here would grow it out, I'd toss it and start over.

Post a pic of the agar you used for this, and walk us through your tek to get to this, we'll try to figure out what went wrong.

Are you using an SAB, a flame for scalpels, and ISO alcohol to spray down things (you should, but don't light yourself on fire. Don't use flame inside SAB).

Are you using a heating pad (you should NOT, plus it's summer, or are you on southern hemisphere where it's winter?)

Did you start with a spore syringe, swabs, or spore print? Did you go straight to grain or to agar first? (latter is better, if done right.)

welcome. Read the link in my sigline too "things I wish I'd known...")

How slow is it growing? These jars should probably take 2 to 4 weeks to fully colonize white in the summer.

Partial growth that slows or stalls almost always means hidden contam.

Do you live somewhere that got these over 95 degrees F? That could cause stall and metabolites without contam. I keep a thermometer in the shroom room.

When temp outside gets above 90 I open shroom closet curtain during day so can get some AC in there. A few people here have lots grows to heat this summer, especially in Europe where not everyone has AC.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
    #27896797 - 08/10/22 02:03 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion: Bulk Tub: How to progress? [Re: Grind365] * 2
    #27896865 - 08/10/22 05:04 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Is a FFU the same as a flow hood?




Serves the same purpose but it’s thinner


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion: Bulk Tub: How to progress? [Re: Grind365]
    #27896888 - 08/10/22 05:25 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Grind365 said:
Is a FFU the same as a flow hood?




FFU = Fan Filter Unit, an all in one, pre-built plug and play unit.

It is a flow hood, just not a self built one. DIY hoods are generally louder and much bigger.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion: Bulk Tub: How to progress? [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27896935 - 08/10/22 06:48 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Forgot the part that it’s plug and play


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