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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #27892269 - 08/06/22 09:05 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I feel like, in order of importance, light is somewhere near the bottom for me.




I take shroom advice from people growing lots of fat shrooms. Only from them, and not at all from people who aren't. If they've been on here 2 weeks and grow fat shrooms, I listen to them.

If they've been on here 20 years and don't grow fat shrooms, I'll listen to their opinion on music, movies, anything but NOT info on growing shrooms.

People who grow fat shrooms on here, who mention light, more often than not use 6500k, and if they mention a cycle, mention 12 on 12 off.

OK. I'll do a poll. See what you folks made me do? Maybe I'm wrong. We'll see.



Oh yeah for sure. Definitely. I just meant the way I have things set up at home I can’t afford to manage my lights as well as other people do. And certainly don’t take advice from me lmao. I can help people newer than me do a handful of things, but I’m not growing fat tubs of shrooms.

As long as I can get from spore to fruit until then, I’m happy. But my lighting situation will need to be addressed eventually for sure.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #27892272 - 08/06/22 09:08 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

when I lived somewhere else I only had window light and they all bent towards the window as well.

nobody disagreeing with you on the 6500 light nektar :lol: you keep saying the same thing in long posts not sure how were talking past each other


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #27892280 - 08/06/22 09:17 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I’m very excited about this clone, and I want to make sure I’m not wasting any opportunities.




I've put a plate in the fridge for 7 months and revived it. They actually grow in there, but in 7 months grow like they'd grow about 3 days a 70 f.

You can do slants, but that's for years. if you're still working on it, I'd use fridge. Make sure it's not below freezing. I do about 34 f, and keep a little thermometer in there. I have to change the fridge setting a little from summer to winter. Don't put them right under the freezer in a dorm fridge, that is colder than the rest of the fridge. May be true in larger fridges, I haven't checked.

People have been having good luck with colonized grain, like when you send a jar to coir/verm, take ten grains or when you open it to send, and put them in a test tube, seal with parafilm or micropore tape, put in a baggie, and put in the fridge. If no test tube, whatever you're using for Petris will work.

You want good real one-use sterile petris, cheap?
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Oh, I posted it if people want to jump in:  What LIGHT do you use for growing shrooms? (Poll)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27892285 - 08/06/22 09:21 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Thank you for the dish recommendation. I do need more. Currently the problem is that no agar recipe I try will grow anything. Not myc, not contams. I’ve found that bacteria will grow, but that’s only if I’m really dirty when I put something on there. Like having a pin fall and roll around lol. But yeah I’m still trying new recipes. Nothing yet. Next up is BRF agar.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] * 2
    #27892290 - 08/06/22 09:29 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I’m very excited about this clone, and I want to make sure I’m not wasting any opportunities.




I've put a plate in the fridge for 7 months and revived it. They actually grow in there, but in 7 months grow like they'd grow about 3 days a 70 f.

You can do slants, but that's for years. if you're still working on it, I'd use fridge. Make sure it's not below freezing. I do about 34 f, and keep a little thermometer in there. I have to change the fridge setting a little from summer to winter. Don't put them right under the freezer in a dorm fridge, that is colder than the rest of the fridge. May be true in larger fridges, I haven't checked.

People have been having good luck with colonized grain, like when you send a jar to coir/verm, take ten grains or when you open it to send, and put them in a test tube, seal with parafilm or micropore tape, put in a baggie, and put in the fridge.




Just be super careful with fridge storage. The internal temps can fluctuate a lot more than people realize, and they have zones that get warmer/colder than the rest of the space.

I was super bummed last year to lose a small collection of really nice clone cultures that consistently pumped out thick canopies. The slants froze in a fridge that I didn’t realize bounced that wildly in temps. The Avery’s tub in my signature was one of the cultures lost…RIP

It can help a little to pack them in an insulated “igloo” type lunchbox or cooler bag before stashing in the fridge, to just serve as a buffer against inconsistent fridge temps. This is particularly useful if the fridge is not a dedicated mycology fridge. If your only storage option is the family fridge for beverages and food, the doors are going to be opening and closing A LOT.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #27892292 - 08/06/22 09:30 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Thank you for the dish recommendation. I do need more. Currently the problem is that no agar recipe I try will grow anything.




I'm probably better at agar than at growing shrooms. Try this:
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27892294 - 08/06/22 09:32 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I have read about the lunchbox full of unfrozen ice packs method, and that’s probably what I’ll do. But to be clear I’m not working with slants or any agar. It’s all PF substrate pucks. I’m assuming those can be refrigerated as well. If not I suppose I can just keep growing and expanding the same culture until I can get agar working.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27892296 - 08/06/22 09:33 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Just be super careful with fridge storage. The internal temps can fluctuate a lot more than people realize, and they have zones that get warmer/colder than the rest of the space.

I was super bummed last year to lose a small collection of really nice clone cultures that consistently pumped out thick canopies.




Thank you. Yes, I've heard about wrapping them. I've never done it and I never lost one. I put a lot in there, not for 7 months usually though. I actually have my dorm room in my shroom room, which is 70 degrees year round, and warmer in summer. I check it often though, and never let it go below 32.

I recomend if someone gets a fridge, move the thermomomter around to different


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #27892298 - 08/06/22 09:34 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Thank you for the dish recommendation. I do need more. Currently the problem is that no agar recipe I try will grow anything.




I'm probably better at agar than at growing shrooms. Try this:
How I do agar



I’ll definitely follow this next if what I made doesn’t work. Thank yiu


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: san pedro guy]
    #27892303 - 08/06/22 09:39 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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nobody disagreeing with you on the 6500 light nektar :lol: you keep saying the same thing in long posts not sure how were talking past each other




I wasn't talking past you. I carefully read everything you and Nimpo wrote.

When I write a long post I'm not always directing the entirety of the response to the person I'm quoting. Sometimes I'm riffing off what they said, but talking to the room.

I have a lot to say about light and shrooms, since there is so much bullshit not backed by experience, and those with experience figured it out a decade ago. A lot with growing shrooms has been improved on since then, but not light.

Not saying you're doing bullshit, especially since you're doing more or less what I'm doing, which I think is the best practice.

Poll early results are looking like it's the thing too. When it's not, it's sun, basically the same light.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27892271#27892271


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] * 1
    #27892607 - 08/06/22 02:24 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

My lights are not led lights they are simple single grow bulbs @6500k they look white to the eye but cheap phone camera that is what you get. Thanks

Oh ya didn't I just ask about a casing layer for my PE shoebox? hmm


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DERRAYLD] * 1
    #27892611 - 08/06/22 02:29 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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And then there's sil o si bee or psilo psy bin




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The genus collective (Psilocybin) is apparently pronounced some weird ways that I can never remember (sil-uh-sahy-bin, sahy-luh- ) so I use "Sill-oh-sigh-bin" and nobody ever misunderstands.  :laugh2:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27892647 - 08/06/22 03:18 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I got an orissa print (normal looking spores) from the marketplace that I put to agar.

Made a mono that is fruiting now, and the pins are coming in albino.

Did I just strike an albino/ leucistic orissa pheno?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nimpo]
    #27892651 - 08/06/22 03:20 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I got an orissa print (normal looking spores) from the marketplace that I put to agar.

Made a mono that is fruiting now, and the pins are coming in albino.

Did I just strike an albino/ leucistic orissa pheno?



Shoot, maybe. Unless there was a print mixup.


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    #27892720 - 08/06/22 04:57 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Usually the pins start white for me but u prolly wont know until a day or a few days


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wild_aussie]
    #27892903 - 08/06/22 07:32 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Oh ya didn't I just ask about a casing layer for my PE shoebox? hmm




Yes. And I said you were way overthinking it, adding things you didn't need, and I asked for you to post the link where you were told to add something I haven't heard of and also calcium carbonate. For cubes.

Got that link?

I want that link because before I tell you "You're doing it wrong", I want to see if there's someone I don't know of growing fat cubes recently using that combo. I doubt there is, but if so I'd love to know. If there's someone doing it with fat cubes a decade ago, they're probably getting fat cubes despite it.

The ONLY measure here of advice is "Is the person giving advice growing the shrooms I want to grow." If they're not, look at someone else's advice.

I'm not putting you down, I'm trying to help. You asked for help.

But it's frustrating seeing a constant sea of noobs recommending things that aren't done anymore, and us having to spend time explaining why that's not done anymore. It's an everyday occurrence, and it's bad for the craft, because other noobs see it and do it and this this hobby goes backwards as it goes forwards.

Read this post by Pasty:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22861379#22861379

2 years ago, I was the noob doing that, so I get it. The fancy thing makes sense because it's fancy. But growing shrooms very well has become simpler and better over decades of people sharing what works and repeatedly pointing out what doesn't.



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] * 1
    #27893057 - 08/06/22 10:02 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I switched to fahtlocks instead of shoeboxes until summer is over because of the gnats... and they seemed to be gone.. but now the little f#@kers have found their way in to my water tub :grrr: bastards.. I really don't want to fruit all of my cakes in bags.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rotnpins] * 1
    #27893062 - 08/06/22 10:07 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I switched to fahtlocks instead of shoeboxes until summer is over because of the gnats... and they seemed to be gone.. but now the little f#@kers have found their way in to my water tub :grrr: bastards.. I really don't want to fruit all of my cakes in bags.




I had gnats last summer but not this summer. I think I got them last summer the time I used field-cured horse poo in a shoebox without pasteurizing it. Now I just use grain. It works fine.

Horse poo is just grain that's been through a horse and had a lot of the nutrients extracted.

If there were piles of moist grain in fields instead of horse / cow poo I bet shrooms would grow on the grain as well as they grow on poo.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] * 2
    #27893066 - 08/06/22 10:14 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

No horse poo here, the tub just has standard pf tek cakes in it..

Idk, I may have to use bags for a couple weeks and see if they go away again.

It sucks, the cakes are just starting to pin and I don't really want to move them to a different environment... I may wait until after the flush :shrug:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #27893272 - 08/07/22 06:46 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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the way I have things set up at home I can’t afford to manage my lights as well as other people do.




The kick-ass 20 watt bright 17 dollar 6500k 2-foot LED light tubes I use are OUT OF STOCK everywhere. Probably because they can be used to grow shrooms and pot. I have a few of them, each one will light 3 or 4 shoeboxes quite well.

The poll is confirming what I thought:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27892271#27892271

As of this morning:
18 people using 6500k lights, 12 hours on, 12 hours off.

9 people are using sunlight (the above lights simulate that).

1 person doing "other."

I've seen 4 people today say that when they put shrooms by the window, the shrooms grow toward the light. I like that.

I would use sunlight except that:

--Shrooms are illegal and I don't want to put them by a window that passers by can look into.

--My dog will eat fucking anything.

So I have a locked closet for shrooms. I got an outside screen door, like for a porch, and put it on the indoors closet. Keeps the adorable stupid SOB out, and lets FAE happen.


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