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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: san pedro guy] * 1
    #27892100 - 08/06/22 05:13 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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ive used led grow light for my peppers and my mushrooms, it’s the same 6500 range i believe. color doesn’t seem to mean much afaik






Color temp does make a difference. That's one of the few things that was settled science on here a decade ago. 6500 imitates the sun. Shrooms and plants evolved to use sunlight.

Here are three trusted cultivators saying 6500 k is the way to go:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25087463#25087463
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there are a lot more of those if you want to do a search for "6500 k lights" and restrict it to Trusted Cultivators.

Does that look as purple as that? I'm imagining that is color of the camera not being white balanced and it doesn't look purple in person if if's 6500. Or it's reflecting something purple. Still looks way more right than the really purple one above that I was talking about

There's an Android app for measuring color temp if anyone wants to know. You use it in an otherwise dark room. You don't point it at the lamp, you point the lamp at white paper and measure off the paper. It's 99 cents: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cassiopeia.camera&gl=US

These were taken under 6500k LEDs and really look like the look of 6500 to me, photos are also white balanced to natural, this is what I really saw. Looks natural, like they're outside on a sunny day:

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27892182 - 08/06/22 07:26 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Hey y’all!

So I’ve got 4 quarts of spawn approaching maturity, and I was curious what your thoughts on shoeboxes were. I’ve done a handful of tubs at 1:1, and I don’t think I actually care for it. Seems to shrink so much. I only have a setup atm for shoeboxes or PF cakes, so I’m thinking 4 tubs of 1:2 spawn:sub. Any benefit to putting 2 quarts of spawn into a shoebox?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #27892184 - 08/06/22 07:28 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

you wont have any head room for the fruits with 2qts spawn at 1:2

unless you planned to dub/bag the top for the fruits to grow up into


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
    #27892193 - 08/06/22 07:39 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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you wont have any head room for the fruits with 2qts spawn at 1:2

unless you planned to dub/bag the top for the fruits to grow up into



True. I usually bag my shoeboxes anyway. Just wondering if there’s any benefit to spawning more than a quart of spawn at a time in a tub.

I imagine it’s got to be most efficient to run 1 quart per tub. I read a lot of differing opinions from over the years. Pasty says 1:2 spawn:sub is a good ratio, which is what I was observing in my own tubs when the 1:1 shrank so badly or aborted a gazillion pins after first flush.

Just curious if anyone had strong feelings. Mushboy, if I remember correctly, has a write up for 2:2 ratio for shoeboxes. I’ve never tried that. Having 4 quarts kicking around, I’m considering it, but I’m not sure what the benefit might be over 4 tubs of 1:2.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #27892199 - 08/06/22 07:41 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

2:2 is still 1:1 with just more spawn

I think most would say that 1:1 is a bit of a waste, I would at least run 1:2.

The benefit is not having all your eggs in one basket. If 1 of your 4 jars is bad, you could ruin a grow pairing it with healthy spawn.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93] * 1
    #27892201 - 08/06/22 07:46 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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2:2 is still 1:1 with just more spawn

I think most would say that 1:1 is a bit of a waste, I would at least run 1:2.

Then benefit is not having all your eggs in one basket. If 1 of your 4 jars is bad, you could ruin a grow pairing it with healthy spawn.





:whathesaid:

If you've got the tubs and the space, I'd just stick to doing 4 tubs 1:2 or so... if you're confident in your spawn, you can always do 1:2.5-1:3.. it would just mean there is a larger water reservoir


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] * 1
    #27892203 - 08/06/22 07:49 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Rockin. I’ll probably stick to 1:2 for a while to watch how it performs. I’ve got a few going with that ratio now that seem to be doing great.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #27892219 - 08/06/22 08:09 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Hey y’all!

So I’ve got 4 quarts of spawn approaching maturity, and I was curious what your thoughts on shoeboxes were. I’ve done a handful of tubs at 1:1, and I don’t think I actually care for it. Seems to shrink so much. I only have a setup atm for shoeboxes or PF cakes, so I’m thinking 4 tubs of 1:2 spawn:sub. Any benefit to putting 2 quarts of spawn into a shoebox?




I've dialed it in to where I'm growing without contam consistently and I've still never done 4 quarts of spawn in a big tub. I'm a fan of "not all eggs in one basket" shoeboxes, as someone said.

I did try one two-quart spawn double shoebox (16 quart tub). It went well, is the x7x tall bois in my avatar over there on the left, but I just really like 1 quart of spawn per 7 quart shoebox. I might keep doing those always.

I asked on here one time if there was an advantage to one big tub over 4 shoe boxes, basic answer from experienced shroomerites was "Just that it looks cool."

I don't measure ratios. No idea. Never have.

I put spawn in, add some coir until very damp, then add verm to de-damp it until it's at field capacity (squeeze a gloved hand of it and several drops come out, not a stream of water, not non or a single drop. like  5 or 10 drops).

I know I use more coir than verm, but not sure how much. I also sprinkle a quarter inch of verm on the top, and I use a liner.

I mix it all up in one SB, then put a liner in another SB, put the mix in when it's right, add the pseudo-casing verm layer on top, then trim the liner top off. I use fine verm for casing and medium coarse verm in the mix below.

Actually I often mix in the 16 quart mini-tub I used for the avatar grow, that gives more room to mix, even though I'm then putting in a 7 quart SB to grow.

I've never done 2 quarts of spawn into a shoebox, but my hunch is that it's probably a waste. Someone once said on here it grows very quick, which might be fun to watch.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61]
    #27892232 - 08/06/22 08:22 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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ive used led grow light for my peppers and my mushrooms, it’s the same 6500 range i believe. color doesn’t seem to mean much afaik






Color temp does make a difference. That's one of the few things that was settled science on here a decade ago. 6500 imitates the sun. Shrooms and plants evolved to use sunlight.

Here are three trusted cultivators saying 6500 k is the way to go:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25087463#25087463
and
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25149762#25149762
and
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26319813#26319813

there are a lot more of those if you want to do a search for "6500 k lights" and restrict it to Trusted Cultivators.

Does that look as purple as that? I'm imagining that is color of the camera not being white balanced and it doesn't look purple in person if if's 6500. Or it's reflecting something purple. Still looks way more right than the really purple one above that I was talking about

There's an Android app for measuring color temp if anyone wants to know. You use it in an otherwise dark room. You don't point it at the lamp, you point the lamp at white paper and measure off the paper. It's 99 cents: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cassiopeia.camera&gl=US

These were taken under 6500k LEDs and really look like the look of 6500 to me, photos are also white balanced to natural, this is what I really saw. Looks natural, like they're outside on a sunny day:

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my grow lights imitate the sun as well, that’s why plants are able to grow under it.

it doesn’t look as purple in person. it has 6500 white lights but there are also red and blue.

are you saying the red and blue is harmful or that it just doesn’t help??


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: san pedro guy]
    #27892238 - 08/06/22 08:28 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Your grow lights are fine, Pedro.

I also grow peppers and use two different lights. Both are 6500K, one is purple tinted, one gives off a more “whiter” light.

The purple porno tinted grow lights have added blue/red diodes because that’s the spectrum of light that influence plants the most. Their response to green/yellow spectrum isn’t as important.

Mushrooms don’t give a shit, they just need a little light to know which way to grow towards


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: san pedro guy]
    #27892244 - 08/06/22 08:32 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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it doesn’t look as purple in person.




I figured.

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are you saying the red and blue is harmful




No. I'm saying 6500 k (which is close to blue but looks white) is best. Sun contains all colors (that's why you can break it up into a rainbow with rain or a prism), but if you measure the color temp of it it's around 6500 k. I've tried it with that app.

I wasn't saying your lights were wrong, just that they photographed odd for 6500k lights. But a lot of phone cameras and some cameras change color. I usually correct in photoshop before posting if I need to. But I use a DSLR on neutral settings, which makes it pretty close straight out of camera to the way it looks to the eye.

Not sure if these 6500 k lights contain all colors, I don't have a prism.

Remember though, plants NEED light or they will not grow.

Shrooms can grow in darkness, but don't grow as well or as strong.

As someone said "Shrooms are like people, both can grow in total darkness. But both will be twisted and fucked up if they grow in total darkness."

Consensus is that best for shrooms is 6500 k, on a timer, 12 hours on, 12 hours off, every day. Apparently they like rhythm of that.

Remember color temp is measuring the temp of a theoretical black body heated to that temp. 6500 kelvin is 11240 F and 6226 C. That's around the surface temp of the sun. Literal temp, not just color temp.

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Mushrooms don’t give a shit, they just need a little light to know which way to grow towards




Shrooms don't need light to know which way to grow. They grow more or less up in darkness. Gravity tells them which way to grow. Light does something else, not quite sure what the science is, but they grow better with light.

Roger Rabbit wrote:
"Light is extremely important to good mushroom formation, and it's nothing to do with which way is up. Gravity takes care of that function.......Don't use blue Christmas lights. They're NOT the correct color temperature. By 'blue' we mean light at the high end of the spectrum. It will still look white to your eyes. As said, 6500 Kelvin fluorescent lights give the best bang for your buck. They're usually labeled 'natural daylight' on the package, as opposed to 'cool white' which are 5,000K and 'warm white' or 'kitchen and bath' which are 3000K, which is referred to as 'red' light, even though they still look white to our eyes. You can also simply place the terrarium in a room  with a bright window and let the natural sunlight do the job."

(He wrote "6500 Kelvin fluorescent lights" because he wrote this before 6500 kelvin LED grow lights were cheap and common.)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61]
    #27892250 - 08/06/22 08:42 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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No. I'm saying 6500 (which is close to blue but looks white) is best. Sun contains all colors (that's why you can break it up into a rainbow with rain or a prism), but if you measure the color temp of it it's around 6500. I've tried it with that app.

Not sure if these 6500 k lights contain all colors, I don't have a prism.





The sun shifts dramatically during the day, you’re safe sitting pretty anywhere between 5200-7500k in CT.

The quality of the color spectrum in that light source boils down to its CRI rating


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61]
    #27892253 - 08/06/22 08:45 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

It might be fun, but I think going forward if I want to use multiple quarts of spawn I’ll get myself a bigger tub. I’m more excited to see how this millet performs. I’ve heard mixed things about that too, but plenty of people like how it does. I’m sure I’ll be happy with my results as well.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nimpo] * 1
    #27892255 - 08/06/22 08:47 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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No. I'm saying 6500 (which is close to blue but looks white) is best. Sun contains all colors (that's why you can break it up into a rainbow with rain or a prism), but if you measure the color temp of it it's around 6500. I've tried it with that app.

Not sure if these 6500 k lights contain all colors, I don't have a prism.





The sun shifts dramatically during the day, you’re safe sitting pretty anywhere between 5200-7500k in CT.

The quality of the color spectrum in that light source boils down to its CRI rating





Yes. I've tried the app and sun on a cloudy day is closer to 5000 k. It's lower than that when setting, more red from the atmosphere filtering out higher and leaving reds.

The very red red of my old LED alarm clock is 300 k. haha.

My UV light reads on that app around 10,000 k. Might be higher than that but maybe phone camera cuts off there.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
    #27892258 - 08/06/22 08:52 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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And then there's sil o si bee or psilo psy bin



I call it silly sigh bean. Emphasis on the silly.





Loooong time man!

I actually was going through my prints last month and pulled a couple that were labeled “gizmo” lmao. Took a minute but I remembered they were from that syringe with like 10 kinds of spores we had been passing around.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61]
    #27892260 - 08/06/22 08:54 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I thought these didn’t really grow in direct sunlight but in tall grass and under trees….and how often is the sun up for 12 hours?? that’s usually a short few months in the summer, don’t these grow in fall/winter months?

12 hours thing never made sense to me….4-6 hours would be more ‘natural’ lol

prob doesn’t matter much, they grow so easily, it’s not like they are weed plants


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27892263 - 08/06/22 08:56 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I feel like, in order of importance, light is somewhere near the bottom for me. Mine aren’t on a timer or switch, so I have to manually turn them on and off. My life doesn’t allow me to do that at regular, even intervals. In the future I’ll probably tighten that up considerably, but for now they seem to be growing well with my janky light


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #27892264 - 08/06/22 08:57 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Shrooms don't need light to know which way to grow. They grow more or less up in darkness. Gravity tells them which way to grow. Light does something else, not quite sure what the science is, but they grow better with light.






Forgot to mention, all my mushrooms grow towards my windows. Like plants.

Hoping we one day get a definitive answer on how light fully affects mushrooms :ancientaliens:

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #27892265 - 08/06/22 09:00 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I feel like, in order of importance, light is somewhere near the bottom for me.




I take shroom advice from people growing lots of fat shrooms. Only from them, and not at all from people who aren't. If they've been on here 2 weeks and grow fat shrooms, I listen to them.

If they've been on here 20 years and don't grow fat shrooms, I'll listen to their opinion on music, movies, anything but NOT info on growing shrooms.

People who grow fat shrooms on here, who mention light, more often than not use 6500k, and if they mention a cycle, mention 12 on 12 off.

OK. I'll do a poll. See what you folks made me do? Maybe I'm wrong. We'll see.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27892266 - 08/06/22 09:02 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I have something else I’d like to get y’all’s opinion on, if you’d be so inclined.

My agar situation is still non functional, but I’m having a lot of success getting cultures to grow on PF pucks in squat half pint jars. Used that biopsy tek for cleaning up dirty cultures, but just used it with good tissue samples from an interesting grow to clone.

Anyway, I’m wondering, once the puck is fully colonized, how should I proceed? Treat it the same way I would treat agar? Any reason to not make more and expand the culture? Refrigerate? And is it good to scoop out and put in some grain to make spawn?

I’m very excited about this clone, and I want to make sure I’m not wasting any opportunities.


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