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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: san pedro guy]
    #27837952 - 06/26/22 07:36 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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as long as the lid did not come off you should be ok i think…the lid is loose for fae so what the dif if you give a little shake?



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Culliganman360] * 4
    #27837965 - 06/26/22 07:44 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Culliganman360 said:
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san pedro guy said:
as long as the lid did not come off you should be ok i think…the lid is loose for fae so what the dif if you give a little shake?



:trololol:
The difference is you shaking it
It’s not chilling on a shelf




If you shake it once, you're fine.
Shake it twice, you're okay 👍
Shake it three times, you're playing with yourself again.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rotnpins]
    #27838228 - 06/26/22 11:08 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Rotnpins said:
Quote:

Culliganman360 said:
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san pedro guy said:
as long as the lid did not come off you should be ok i think…the lid is loose for fae so what the dif if you give a little shake?



:trololol:
The difference is you shaking it
It’s not chilling on a shelf




If you shake it once, you're fine.
Shake it twice, you're okay 👍
Shake it three times, you're playing with yourself again.

:datass:





haha.

I shake once, but earlier than the usual 30%, at about 10%.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27838440 - 06/27/22 06:12 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Has anyone observed this before?
Specific grains are being avoided by the mycelium.
Additionally, it is not colonising some of the grains edges, particularly those grains touching the side of the glass.

I have highlighted the grains/area.



If the culture is not the issue then perhaps this is caused by improper grain preparation.

Most of the grains seemed dry enoug before the pc cycle and they all got a shake after the PC cycle.

A small of water pooled at the bottom overnight but it got reabsorbed by the grains.
Perhaps some of the grains absorbed the majority of the water.

Regardless, the affected grains are visually different to the "healthier" looking grains.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Infinite Monkeys] * 2
    #27838443 - 06/27/22 06:15 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Looks like it’s just ones that are baked to the glass. Looks very close to bacterial growth but based on location I think it’s fine.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #27838469 - 06/27/22 06:54 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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A.k.a said:
Looks like it’s just ones that are baked to the glass. Looks very close to bacterial growth but based on location I think it’s fine.






Agree with AKA, it’s possible it’s bacterial. But based on the way the myc is colonizing the surface of the grain available to it (see area in green where myc is flowing into “channels” at bottom lip of jar,  I suspect that those grains are just pressed up against the glass and the myc can’t get underneath it. Break and shake at 30%, and I bet the grains pressed against the glass will be freely coated when the myc bounces back


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #27838477 - 06/27/22 07:02 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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A.k.a said:
Looks like it’s just ones that are baked to the glass. Looks very close to bacterial growth but based on location I think it’s fine.




Thanks A.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was bacterial. The grains looked like this before inoculation.

I believe the plate used to inoculate this jar was a T1 transfer from spores meaning it might not be clean.

Perhaps the water level in my PC might be a little bit high? Could that cause specific grains at the bottom to "overcook"?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #27838502 - 06/27/22 07:20 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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mushboy said:
I open my pc on the stove. Move jars to the master box they come in at the store.

Store em in a shelf. Grab and inoculate when needed. Wipe with iso before bringing inside the sab





One great thing about a staggered, continious production, is that when you have grains jars "to spare", at one point you can get into the rhytm where say your oldest jars are 5days old, thus any inoculation of them causing contamination has screened for improper grain sterilization.

It also buys you a few days where wetter jar mishaps can be dried out a small but significant amount before inoculation, also probably benefiting the grow.

I used to open jars hot too, but after seeing weird condensation and grain jars becoming wetter after PC like this, Im super strict with allowing them to cool. I also put foil on top of my jars because water levels and other blunders can make water enter them during PC too.

With foil on to the lids, bent to make the moisture travel down the edges and sides of the PC, i dont experience this anymore.

Also, wipe your jars after PC, to not bring unneccesary shit and particles in fron of the flow, making you wipe table over and over.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27838672 - 06/27/22 10:32 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

That makes sense I e been having issues getting my jars to colonize properly. agar is clean but after 6-8 days there is still some grains that the mycelium seems to avoid.  Will let my jars sit for a couple days before noc up maybe produce better results?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27838763 - 06/27/22 11:42 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I would like to build a flow hood at some point (hopefully soon) but I'd like to have a good idea of what im getting myself into before I start. I don't want to go with the first build idea I find, build it, and then realize that it's not what I wanted or that I should have done it differently.


Do you guys have any good links to builds, general/useful information about hoods, tips/recommendations, etc..

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wild_aussie] * 5
    #27838792 - 06/27/22 12:04 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I would not trust a filter that lets in moisture if you don't cover the lids of your grain jars with foil before a PC cycle. SFD's, well applied polyfil or any other kind of hydrophobic filter won't let that happen.

I use both SFD's and poly and it's been years without putting foil over my jars, doesn't matter if I let the jars cool in the PC or if I take them out hot.

You don't need to let the jars sit for X days before inoculation even if they have some extra moisture coming fresh out of the PC. That moisture will typically get re-absorbed by the grains in a day or two  anyways.

Taking the jars hot vs let them cool in the PC... I've done both plenty and I find little pros and cons to each one.
If left overnight, during the cooldown the kernels will inevitably spit out some of their moisture and some parts of the jar will cool faster than others, resulting in an uneven distribution of moisture in the jars; some parts of the jars will show kernels that are more hydrated than when they came in and others (specially those pressed against the side of the jar) will come out looking drier and a bit charred. This is not a major problem at all though, a good shake and everything will be fine.

However, if I have the time and am feeling a bit perfectionist that day, I like to take them out hot and give them some shakes over time until they cool down. This is obviously more work and the grains will spit out even more moisture than if left to cool slowly in the PC, but this time you're there to shake the jars and ensure the moisture gets evenly distributed.
The next day you'll find some extra moisture in the jars but it will get re-absorbed after a final shake. I like that the grains taken out hot look "fresher" than when left to cool overnight, which will give them a bit of a toasted/brownish look.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rotnpins] * 2
    #27838800 - 06/27/22 12:09 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Rotnpins said:
I would like to build a flow hood at some point (hopefully soon) but I'd like to have a good idea of what im getting myself into before I start. I don't want to go with the first build idea I find, build it, and then realize that it's not what I wanted or that I should have done it differently.


Do you guys have any good links to builds, general/useful information about hoods, tips/recommendations, etc..

:teacher::takingnotes:




All I will say is go for a 2x4. Any smaller and you'll soon want an upgrade.

2x4 is big enough that you don't have to worry about much; a lot of freedom.

My first flow hood was DIY and the fan was sooooooo fucking loud, even at 1x2.. I upgraded to a 2x4 filter fan unit which happens to be one of the quietest units on the market. Wow, the difference.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27838806 - 06/27/22 12:15 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Rotnpins said:
I would like to build a flow hood at some point (hopefully soon) but I'd like to have a good idea of what im getting myself into before I start. I don't want to go with the first build idea I find, build it, and then realize that it's not what I wanted or that I should have done it differently.


Do you guys have any good links to builds, general/useful information about hoods, tips/recommendations, etc..

:teacher::takingnotes:




All I will say is go for a 2x4. Any smaller and you'll soon want an upgrade.

2x4 is big enough that you don't have to worry about much; a lot of freedom.

My first flow hood was DIY and the fan was sooooooo fucking loud, even at 1x2.. I upgraded to a 2x4 filter fan unit which happens to be one of the quietest units on the market. Wow, the difference.




Thanks for the reply 👍 starting with a 2x4 sounds like a really good idea. I definitely don't want to start with something smaller that I'll end up having to upgrade... I'm not 100% set on a DIY build.. do you have any recommendations for a pre-built one?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rotnpins]
    #27838823 - 06/27/22 12:31 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I dont have any complaints so far with my Model S from https://www.labrathoodz.com/product-page/flow-rat-model-s  Its on the smaller side but perfect for my limited living space.

Edit:  I read your comment wrong....I see you want larger (which they offer) but they start to get pricey.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rotnpins] * 1
    #27838840 - 06/27/22 12:47 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Thanks for the reply 👍 starting with a 2x4 sounds like a really good idea. I definitely don't want to start with something smaller that I'll end up having to upgrade... I'm not 100% set on a DIY build.. do you have any recommendations for a pre-built one?




I have the Envirco MAC10 XL. If I had to get another flow hood I would literally just get another one of these.

It's super slim too!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27838868 - 06/27/22 01:03 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Rotnpins said:
Thanks for the reply 👍 starting with a 2x4 sounds like a really good idea. I definitely don't want to start with something smaller that I'll end up having to upgrade... I'm not 100% set on a DIY build.. do you have any recommendations for a pre-built one?




I have the Envirco MAC10 XL. If I had to get another flow hood I would literally just get another one of these.

It's super slim too!




Does it make a big difference in your opinion if it is overhead like that one vs horizontal airflow? (Like I said, I'm literally starting at the "flow hood for dummies" level)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
    #27838904 - 06/27/22 01:19 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I would not trust a filter that lets in moisture if you don't cover the lids of your grain jars with foil before a PC cycle. SFD's, well applied polyfil or any other kind of hydrophobic filter won't let that happen.

I use both SFD's and poly and it's been years without putting foil over my jars, doesn't matter if I let the jars cool in the PC or if I take them out hot.

You don't need to let the jars sit for X days before inoculation even if they have some extra moisture coming fresh out of the PC. That moisture will typically get re-absorbed by the grains in a day or two  anyways.

Taking the jars hot vs let them cool in the PC... I've done both plenty and I find little pros and cons to each one.
If left overnight, during the cooldown the kernels will inevitably spit out some of their moisture and some parts of the jar will cool faster than others, resulting in an uneven distribution of moisture in the jars; some parts of the jars will show kernels that are more hydrated than when they came in and others (specially those pressed against the side of the jar) will come out looking drier and a bit charred. This is not a major problem at all though, a good shake and everything will be fine.

However, if I have the time and am feeling a bit perfectionist that day, I like to take them out hot and give them some shakes over time until they cool down. This is obviously more work and the grains will spit out even more moisture than if left to cool slowly in the PC, but this time you're there to shake the jars and ensure the moisture gets evenly distributed.
The next day you'll find some extra moisture in the jars but it will get re-absorbed after a final shake. I like that the grains taken out hot look "fresher" than when left to cool overnight, which will give them a bit of a toasted/brownish look.




Felt this one was partly directed at me.

Yeah, I use corono mask filters for filters (they work) so they easily get wet. Probably doesnt qualify as hydrophobic at all.

1-2 days sitting sounds like it could be described as "x amount of days"

The reason i wrote 5 days is becuause in my experience, jars that will contaminate from improper PC usage, will contam by that time 99% in my experience. So if one was interested in always detecting when it was the transfer, when it was the grain prep + PC, it adds valuable information.

Shaking works to restribute the moisture, but thats one handjob per jar, one top of all the other menial labour putting strain on your hadns. If its a small time grower sure, but it you are making 100 jars every day id rather let it sit for a day or two.

All that said, the goal is still to have grain jars that have a perfect moisture surface, usable as soon as cold enough.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 1
    #27838916 - 06/27/22 01:24 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I'll chime in that my WBS in bag colonization got better with a two day sit after PC'ing. Its pretty sweet... no cooking, no open drying... but it really likes a two day sit to dry up.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27838930 - 06/27/22 01:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

yeah well if its moisture on your top grains as you transfer to it, and your transfer is just ever so bacterial, they are transferred to their preferred highway for multiplication and expansion; moisture,

so thats not weird. A wet grain or colonized agar supports the colonizing myc with "starting" moisture, helping them to get to grains, and if they are hydrated inside, new water storage available.

So landing on a dry top is a lot less of a issue, most of the times,
compared to landing on a wet grain.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27838959 - 06/27/22 01:48 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Josex said:
I would not trust a filter that lets in moisture if you don't cover the lids of your grain jars with foil before a PC cycle. SFD's, well applied polyfil or any other kind of hydrophobic filter won't let that happen.

I use both SFD's and poly and it's been years without putting foil over my jars, doesn't matter if I let the jars cool in the PC or if I take them out hot.

You don't need to let the jars sit for X days before inoculation even if they have some extra moisture coming fresh out of the PC. That moisture will typically get re-absorbed by the grains in a day or two  anyways.

Taking the jars hot vs let them cool in the PC... I've done both plenty and I find little pros and cons to each one.
If left overnight, during the cooldown the kernels will inevitably spit out some of their moisture and some parts of the jar will cool faster than others, resulting in an uneven distribution of moisture in the jars; some parts of the jars will show kernels that are more hydrated than when they came in and others (specially those pressed against the side of the jar) will come out looking drier and a bit charred. This is not a major problem at all though, a good shake and everything will be fine.

However, if I have the time and am feeling a bit perfectionist that day, I like to take them out hot and give them some shakes over time until they cool down. This is obviously more work and the grains will spit out even more moisture than if left to cool slowly in the PC, but this time you're there to shake the jars and ensure the moisture gets evenly distributed.
The next day you'll find some extra moisture in the jars but it will get re-absorbed after a final shake. I like that the grains taken out hot look "fresher" than when left to cool overnight, which will give them a bit of a toasted/brownish look.




Felt this one was partly directed at me.

Yeah, I use corono mask filters for filters (they work) so they easily get wet. Probably doesnt qualify as hydrophobic at all.

1-2 days sitting sounds like it could be described as "x amount of days"

The reason i wrote 5 days is becuause in my experience, jars that will contaminate from improper PC usage, will contam by that time 99% in my experience. So if one was interested in always detecting when it was the transfer, when it was the grain prep + PC, it adds valuable information.

Shaking works to restribute the moisture, but thats one handjob per jar, one top of all the other menial labour putting strain on your hadns. If its a small time grower sure, but it you are making 100 jars every day id rather let it sit for a day or two.

All that said, the goal is still to have grain jars that have a perfect moisture surface, usable as soon as cold enough.




Fuck yes bruthamang, whatever works! I certainly would never take the jars hot if I owned a shroom factory, I would not even use jars... Either way I don't like to waste time with foil either so dem filters gotta be good!


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