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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23646170 - 09/14/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You just mixed up the i and y of psilocybe lol

Few have successfully fruited ps. Cyan indoors, but when they did, it was legendary


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mad Season]
    #23646175 - 09/14/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well hell. My multisporing noob ass ain't gonna pull nothing legendary off. Unfortunately.

Live in the App mountains. Just now starting to get to about the low 80's. Gonna really taper off sooner than later....

Knock some grains up with MS then spawn to all the mountains around me? Will I see anything this year?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23646242 - 09/15/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

the ps cyans need to be outdoors for 6+ months to do anything. Get the spores cleaned up on agar then spawn to all the mountains :wizard:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: liloldme]
    #23646247 - 09/15/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Damn thats a long time are they pretty potent ?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23646274 - 09/15/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: liloldme]
    #23646290 - 09/15/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So spawning them in spring would be best or end of winter? Id love to eat one of those mammerjammers


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23646453 - 09/15/16 02:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you don't have the mycelium ready now I would spawn at end of winter vs middle of winter to shoot for fruits next fall.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: liloldme]
    #23646461 - 09/15/16 02:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thoughts on this corn jar.
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Its going outside anyway just curious on thoughts.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #23646721 - 09/15/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hi guys, just getting back into the hobby after many years hiatus.  Still have a lot of old syringes and spores. 

I jumped straight to popcorn as spawn material and it has not been working so great because I never actually got a bulk grow to work.  I know it was due to laziness on my part.

I finally got WBS to work (so far) after I got the generic WalMart red & white bag brandless kind.  I did a g2g with some popcorn and so far it's responding nicely to the warm days heating up our kitchen this week.  I still need to fix some sort of incubator setup.

Anyway, is it ok for me to post pics and ask some newbie questions around here or are you guys sick of the same shit over and over?  I keep searching the forums as much as possible for the info I need and usually find enough to get by without asking but I finally decided it's time to get a little more interactive.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bunya]
    #23646743 - 09/15/16 07:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Thoughts on this corn jar.
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Its going outside anyway just curious on thoughts.




i'm no expert but that looks pretty well established with fungus but you gotta be careful with that popcorn, it will contam so easy once you spoon it out and expose the raw grains. been having a hell of a time with mine.  i got 2 identical jars with the same liquid culture in each, one grew like wildfire and the other just seems to keep stalling just as the mycelium coats everything lightly.  i think maybe i screwed up water content or something.  and i have one other jar of popcorn that is also stalled, has turned very dark in color, but still has fungus colonizing it in various places.  no weird smells, no visible or obvious contam..

also had a casing go south with mold (i tried to just put verm on top of a layer of popcorn spawn.. derp.. and it started showing some trich (i think?) or green mold on the corner. so i took it outside and left it about 4 or 5 days, then let it set overnight in a bowl of water, then tore off the tiny mold part and threw it away into the garden and tore the rest of the casing into bits and put them in a jar, put the lid on and brought it back inside.  it is now showing signs of regeneration and no mold... yet! fun stuff.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Oregonic]
    #23646816 - 09/15/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Ps. cyans are a woodloving species. Those only do well outside. Growing them inside is possible but it's not easy. I think you can count the successful documented woodlover indoors grows on the shroomery on just one hand. At any rate, even if you managed to grow them indoors, the yields will not be worth the effort. Growing outside is actually easier than indoors since contams have a harder time in fresh air. The only "downside" with woodlovers is that they have a long consolidation period, which is possibly why they are so hard to grow inside.

So if you ever do spawn a patch outside, don't expect fruits until a year later.

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So just in case someone else comes across my posts and "problem" I was having, I just wanted to follow up with a reply I received from FG customer service when I dropped them a line asking if this is just what I should expect when using their premixed MEA and ABMEA:

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FG customer rep dude said:
Hello <oregonic>,

Thank you for reaching out about our agars!

What you are describing is normal for our agar.  In my experience, our agar is opaque and has flecks in it.  If you made a more diluted mix, it might appear transparent but then it would also have low sugar content, potentially slowing growth.

As long as the agar is gelling up fine and you have good mycelial growth, it should be just fine even if its dark and cloudy.

Let me know if you have any questions or if you are not having good growth!




So that sums that up. Expect the premixed MEA and ABMEA from FG to be opaque with little dark specks floating throughout, and don't buy it if you're expecting a nice, clear/transparent MEA. That being said, the growth I've seen when using it has been very strong and vigorous, so there's that.




Yeah, that's not really a problem. Once you start making your own agar with your own ingredients, you will see that the colour will depend exclusively on your ingredients. Agar is colourless, or very close to it so it's the nutritious additive that gives it it's colour. IME, homemade agar is never as transperant as some pre-mades. Also, pre-mades tend to have less solids floating around. I bought a pre-made sabouraud agar once and it is by far, the easiest to see through. Homemade PDA (with flakes) is probably the cloudiest agar I have come across. I don't like PDA personally.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: light seep]
    #23646821 - 09/15/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If u are just starting out and have problems succeeding with bulk, u need to toss the LCs. LCs will beat down a beginner worse than Mickey Gall beat down CM Punk. Also never put spores on grains.

Put you contaminated shit back outside.

Start with Pastywhytes easy agar tek and go forward from there. It'll make things a lot easier. Also popcorn is awful.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bunya]
    #23646837 - 09/15/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Thoughts on this corn jar.
Sub

Its going outside anyway just curious on thoughts.




Well when in cool & humid(14-18c)temps P sub's Myc can/does tend too "fluff".. But that looks excessive.. :confused:
What does it smell like??
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23646856 - 09/15/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If u are just starting out and have problems succeeding with bulk, u need to toss the LCs. LCs will beat down a beginner worse than Mickey Gall beat down CM Punk. Also never put spores on grains.

Put you contaminated shit back outside.

Start with Pastywhytes easy agar tek and go forward from there. It'll make things a lot easier. Also popcorn is awful.





LO FUCKING L.

Punk got absolutely decimated


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23646898 - 09/15/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If u are just starting out and have problems succeeding with bulk, u need to toss the LCs. LCs will beat down a beginner worse than Mickey Gall beat down CM Punk. Also never put spores on grains.

Put you contaminated shit back outside.

Start with Pastywhytes easy agar tek and go forward from there. It'll make things a lot easier. Also popcorn is awful.




i quit growing for like over 10 years dude, i used to have tons of success with the basics and started doing experiments with bulk substrates and grains.  i got popcorn to work when i was doing that because i never could get WBS to work back then.  i got a few bulk substrates i made to colonize a few times but i got lazy and never took them all the way through fruiting.  it was a busy time in my life and i ended up quitting the hobby for a while.

now i have decided to do this hobby again, i made an lc with ease and noc'd like 3 jars of popcorn (all i had in the house) which all grew.  i g2g'd to some WBS and that is now growing nicely.  i don't really see anything difficult about LC's, they seem easier than fucking around with spores on pf cakes.  recommending agar to someone you presume to be a newb seems like a troll but whatever. 


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: light seep]
    #23646995 - 09/15/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:thisfuckinguy:

Seems like you already know all there is to know about cultivation. I wonder why post here? When someone gives advice, least you can do is try to understand  their point and maybe thank them for trying. Definitely didn't warrant being called a troll. Now, whenever you realise just how wrong you are in your last post, try reading up on some up to date information. It might be tomorrow, it might take you a shitload of failed grows or you might just never get it, sort of like topsykretts and hybridx.

If you inoculated that LC with spores, it's no wonder why the crash and burn. You can expect a lot of those in the future, unless you zip your mouth, throw away the key, open your mind and ears and let your brain soak in all the recent information. Now since you say that you have been missing from cultivation for 10 years, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you actually want to learn something, in which case, this is for you:

Rule#1: Agar is the best thing to start off with, for experienced cultivators and total begginers alike.

Rule#2: Spores are inherently dirty, no matter how sanitary your grow room is. There is always at least some bacteria in your spores, which is exactly why everybody who is serious about cultivation should start with agar.

Rule#3: MS grows<Clones & isolates. No matter how you spin it, a multispore will always be a crapshoot. If you want consistent good results, cloning and/or isolating is the way to go. How do you do this, you ask? Check rule#1.

Rule#4: LCs are not a begginer's tool. It's not even an "intermediate" technique IMO. LCs made with spores are guaranteed to have bacteria in them, at the very least. You know how I said that spores inherently have at least some bacteria? Well, if you dropped some spores in an LC, you just gave those hungry ass bacteria cells an all they can eat buffet, exacerbating the problem.  Doing G2Gs with a master that was inoculated via a spore LC is just :facepalm3: Do yourself a favour, check out LI. Just as fast (even faster than LC in some cases) and much easier to keep clean. It's easy to make an LC, making an immaculate one however, is most definitely not. If you never made an LC with agar, you can bet your life savings that you never had a 100%clean LC.

Rule#5: Forget all the rubbish that you learned over a decade ago. Mycology is a rather new science and as such, it developed/still is developing rather quickly. What was acceptable or even "great" 10 years ago is bound to get you facepalms today. It was completely OK in the past to have a bacterial jar or tub, people would just say, "that looks great". Nowadays people will tell you to throw it in a bonfire using a 6 foot fruit picker. Since the hobby has advanced, standards are obviously higher. You would do yourself a huge favour if you tried to hold yourself to the current standards.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23647124 - 09/15/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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This is from 3 different vendor syringes i had the luck of getting.




These particular syringes in lc would have been shit. Luckily I used agar, and was able to salvage it. As seen by me cutting it.

Agar is just as easy to make as LC, and it's much safer. If it's clean spores, great! :thumbup: but I like getting success every time.




BTW all those plates that show bacteria.. that same bacteria is basically invisible in any other media. We have to normally see bacteria based off the myceliums reaction, rather than the actual bacteria. And even then agar isn't 100%. Here's an example of mycelium reacting on agar:

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bacteria on WKZ culture.  both plates started off looking rhizo/normal, but as they aged, several sprouts popped up, and the second plate, u can see the edges of the growth are bubbling up in response to bacteria.  these are both from same clone, same day.



another one (slight bacteria/hidden something), matazapec, MS, unfruited


compare to a very clean Penis envy culture




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22020260

I've seen at least bacteria in at least half my syringes I've ever used.

Any regular here would agree that starting on agar is the best route, whether they actually do it or not. Saying otherwise just proves your ignorance.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: light seep]
    #23647130 - 09/15/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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recommending agar to someone you presume to be a newb seems like a troll but whatever




:lol: :rofl: :hahathatsfunny: dude doesn't know up from down but thinks I'm trolling... OK that's logical.

Have fun growing mold. I don't know why u posted looking for advice if you were just gonna shit all over the advice given.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23647143 - 09/15/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Because agar is alot safer and alot better for anyone reasons being?? You can make clean lc with with it and clean spawn  :mindexpanding: sounds like asking for advice and then telling people you were the mushroom king 10 years ago is trolling to me if i were you i would make my own site and post everything i knew from way back when and get rich of all the hits you get cause everyone will wanna use your methods


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23647682 - 09/15/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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recommending agar to someone you presume to be a newb seems like a troll but whatever




:lol: :rofl: :hahathatsfunny: dude doesn't know up from down but thinks I'm trolling... OK that's logical.

Have fun growing mold. I don't know why u posted looking for advice if you were just gonna shit all over the advice given.

I'm done. :banyouverymuch:




Careful, if insanemike sees you posted that he'll hit up the mod forum again.

Let's keep it on topic guys.  If this person doesn't want good advice they can find their own way out.  As entertaining as it would be to trigger some melts in here, I don't want this locked again.  :shrug:


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