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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wild_aussie]
    #27804308 - 06/03/22 02:39 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

If that's 7 days I would say not amazing. Looks slow, but could be genetics as well. But could be fighting contam alsom the pics do suck ass as well, but you know this. They actually look like the same pic..
Me, at this point ide say shake it, fuck it, if that's what it looks like after a week might as well.

Might go back and check your prep and sterile work, even your PC cycle and whatnot.

U less that's like APE or some albino, maybe PE, or unless your agar was like barely colonized before you cut a wedge and put it in, after a week, I'm going to say start more, always start more, and just keep an eye on that knowing it's probably bacterial at least. And if it did happen to colonize after like 3 or 4 weeks haha, just hydrate a little coir and microwave it, or bucket Tek it or whatever, and case the whole jar. Idk. My bets it's bacterial, if it were mild youde probably see something by now.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27804331 - 06/03/22 02:56 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Thanks those are the same pic lol I accidentally copied the same one cause I Take 3-4 pics and try to pick best one Im reading some posts about pics here's a little better pic


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wild_aussie]
    #27804334 - 06/03/22 02:58 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Lol that pic is a little worse.. kinda..

But it actually looks more like mold their, how it's super matte puffy like and almost looks grey at the ends.

I swear if I zoom in it almost looks like a little green spot.......
...???

And even a little yellow atop the mound. But it's another horrible picture.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27804342 - 06/03/22 03:04 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

So I shook em and sounded dry like beans the agar looks hard and dry as well.  I used eats 45min soak Tek someone's simple tyvek lid I mean like really dry is a 1/4inch hole in center of lid with tyvek over it


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27804353 - 06/03/22 03:16 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Can you ferment a log, and then put said log to a tub of coir and grainspawn, and then expect the log to be colonized?

I have recently made two attempts to do this, one with shitake grainspawn to multiple logs in a large shoebox, and one with lots of serbica grainspawn surrounding a fermented log, then topped with coir outside.

Im expecting the log to be the contam factor here, but does anyone have some thoughts on why this will work/not work or why we dont do it like this




That's a good question, and honestly I would expect it to work. Did your attempts fail?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wild_aussie]
    #27804415 - 06/03/22 04:16 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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So I shook em and sounded dry like beans the agar looks hard and dry as well.  I used eats 45min soak Tek someone's simple tyvek lid I mean like really dry is a 1/4inch hole in center of lid with tyvek over it






Idk what eats Tek is but ide suggest a standard boil and dry, like bod does as well.
Your grains could be too dry..








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And at a quick look at eats Tek the main variable will probably be the ambient temperature you let the grains sit in the boiling water. Like if it's 100 degrees outside and you let them sit in that boiling water for 45 min compared to if it's 20 degrees outside and you let them site in the same boiling water for the same amount of time, in the circumstances of the latter you may find your grains underhydrated because the temperatures dropped too quickly.
Also if your using a lid. Idk, barely skimmed it


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
    #27804458 - 06/03/22 04:41 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Can somebody link me to a JCM setup thread? I don't even know what JCM stands for or the difference between it and Martha and Jartha.

All I know is they're tents for exotics..


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla] * 1
    #27804461 - 06/03/22 04:45 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Lol jcm is the guys username.

It’s like a water tub with airstones.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27804508 - 06/03/22 05:18 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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tedoro said:
I'm a woodworker by trade. I run mills, design furniture. Zero blades enjoy rocks. No one here is cutting coir with a woodmizer. I sliced a few coir blocks on a bandsaw and deadened my blade immediately.

When I learned the technique others are describing here of cracking them open along the "grain" everything got easier.




FINE, you caught me on the mizer.  :lol:

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nichrome]
    #27804518 - 06/03/22 05:24 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Do you have a picture?


Sounds like it's not dry yet. Fatties or dense fruits can take more than a day in the dehydrator especially if the RH where you live is very high.




Yeah I figure it’s just not dry yet, but it’s confusing me a bit that the difference between different fruits of the same size and harvest can be that different in drying time. Also have some dense 50gr/5gr fruits that dried into something solid, but then this one just remains soft and becomes crumbly.



Not a big issue though, happens to like one fruit once in a while and the rest all dry fine.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27804538 - 06/03/22 05:36 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Found a post by inocule who said that the exact oats im using From tractor supply producers pride oats (not for racehorses) only work 1 out of 3 times I don't like that 66% failure is not acceptable so I hoping that's not the problem so trying to diagnose any other problems before trashing a brand new bag of oats

Here is a quote from inocule post
NOTE/WARNING:  The producers pride oats from tractor supply worked well for me 1 out of 3 times.  The other two bags, I believe came pre-infested with weevils and were also extremely bacterial, neither of which I noticed until it was far too late.  I recommend looking for race horse oats, as they're reputed to be cleaner and less prone to bacterial problems than the producers pride whole oats.  I'm talking the kind of bacteria you really can't afford to fuck around with.  Culture ruining awful shit.  Throwing away 30 jars of grain, all with agar wedges in them that simply refused to leap off onto the grain is not a fun time.  -  4/15/2016

The mycelium actually looked like it formed around the grains not in them if that makes sense


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla] * 2
    #27804545 - 06/03/22 05:42 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Can somebody link me to a JCM setup thread? I don't even know what JCM stands for or the difference between it and Martha and Jartha.

All I know is they're tents for exotics..



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27804590 - 06/03/22 06:05 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Stalled ghost tubs have looked like this for 3 days, any recommendations?



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27804720 - 06/03/22 07:29 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

So first grain jars fail. So for round 2 the paper towel test does this look about right.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27804886 - 06/03/22 08:57 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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I'm asking is there yield improvement? "I like the texture tells me nothing"





Coir holds more water with added verm, so yes. Mushrooms are made mostly of water, more water equals heavier flush.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27805029 - 06/03/22 11:04 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I saved oat water for lc or agar whatever right now it's in a unmod lid pint jar in the fridge is this how to store no inoc.  When I pull grain jars out of PC do I take foil off right away or wait until tomorrow when I noc up? Please thank you I just pulled jars out of PC just now so... Thanks


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wild_aussie]
    #27805030 - 06/03/22 11:06 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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wild_aussie said:
Found a post by inocule who said that the exact oats im using From tractor supply producers pride oats (not for racehorses) only work 1 out of 3 times I don't like that 66% failure is not acceptable so I hoping that's not the problem so trying to diagnose any other problems before trashing a brand new bag of oats

Here is a quote from inocule post
NOTE/WARNING:  The producers pride oats from tractor supply worked well for me 1 out of 3 times.  The other two bags, I believe came pre-infested with weevils and were also extremely bacterial, neither of which I noticed until it was far too late.  I recommend looking for race horse oats, as they're reputed to be cleaner and less prone to bacterial problems than the producers pride whole oats.  I'm talking the kind of bacteria you really can't afford to fuck around with.  Culture ruining awful shit.  Throwing away 30 jars of grain, all with agar wedges in them that simply refused to leap off onto the grain is not a fun time.  -  4/15/2016

The mycelium actually looked like it formed around the grains not in them if that makes sense




I have limited places to get grain at a reasonable price in the Bay Area, and since I moved to Oakland from LA I have run nothing but Tractor Supply Producer's Pride Oats. Hundreds and hundreds of pounds of it, maybe thousands at this point. I didn't even use a boil when I moved into a place with no yard, just a hot water soak, strain, hot water again, 24-48hrs depending on what I had going on, strained again, and laid on a giant screen platform with fans. I would agitate the oats spread out on the screens every time I walked by them, so the fan would hit different grains, and once I got it dry enough I'd bag em up and throw them in a couple AA75x's for a longer than usual cycle. No issues with the grain over the course of two solid years of use. I like other grains, but these are cheap and accessible. This prep method I outlined was by no means ideal, but it was what I could swing with the facility limitations I had at the time if I wanted to prep a hundred to two hundred pounds at a time in a little space with little ventilation. What I am driving at here is that you can make them work, I assure you.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Healing Oakland]
    #27805107 - 06/04/22 01:10 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Thank you I really needed to hear that.  Also I saved a pint of grain water I want to use for lc is in jar lid on no hole in fridge is this right?  To make lc do I need to add sugar or dilute it or anything?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27805110 - 06/04/22 01:13 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Healing Oakland I noticed capsules in your signature.  What are the biggest capsule you have used and how much ground weight can they hold?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Healing Oakland]
    #27805115 - 06/04/22 01:20 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Wild Aussie, I do no prep on oats from Tractor Supply with no issues, 10ml water per Tbsp oats. I PC 90 min for sizes up to a myco qt and 120 for larger bags. Maybe slightly less water for a larger bag. The grains should just barely float. It works for barley also.

Your grain water in the fridge is fine short term put it in the freezer for longer.

I leave my grain jars, bags etc in the PC unopened until I'm ready to use them. The exception is 1/4 pint no pour agar which once cooled gets put on a shelf until needed. 

Good luck!

Edit: most likely your grain water needs to be diluted before making LC or agar with it. A complete guess, maybe try a teaspoon of grain water in a pint of water for LC??? Maybe even a quart of water?


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