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WyoMX

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27788477 - 05/22/22 04:56 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Ya but there's normally still grain left in the substrate that could still provide food for the mycelium no? it's just that the sub gets dry/old/dies. If there was a way to use every bit of the grain is what I'm talking about. I totally understand it's not a logical question and there's probably no way to achieve it just wondering.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] 2
#27788479 - 05/22/22 04:57 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Shameful cross post just for clarification purposes:
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lollerskeeball said: The way this is pinning has me drooling...

APEU from MS transfer.
Lookin' good!
I can't remember what thread I answered someones question so here goes: "when harvesting do you take the mature fruits only or harvest pins as well?" OR SOMETHING VERY SIMILARLY WORDED!
When I said that I cut everything down all at once I was referring to 'canopies', I was not referring to tubs that fruit similarly like the picture I quoted. In the situation above I would harvest the fruits AS THEY MATURE - it would be counterintuitive to harvest the quoted pins.
Very sorry for any confusion.
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Bra
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: WyoMX]
#27788503 - 05/22/22 05:22 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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WyoMX said:
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Bra said: Is it safe to eat shrooms from tub with some grey mould??? It looks nearly like mycelium but it smells a little bit bitter and mouldy. Although in this monotub there are a lot of pins and shrooms. Casing layer were probably too wet..
Can i eat those cubies? Ii is not toxic or smth? Thanks
They are generally safe to eat the mushrooms out of the tub as long as it's not growing directly from the mold or like right next to it almost touching it. If you want to be extra safe you can make tea out of those fruits with boiling water for extra piece of mind.
Yeah, I prefer to make a tea.
It's growing from the mould I afraid. It's like grey mold (spawn) all over the casing layer and there are pins in the middle of it. Look at the foto
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doctor Mario]
#27788624 - 05/22/22 06:56 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Is that just a standard spray bottle attachment on your iso bottle?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: WyoMX] 3
#27788833 - 05/22/22 10:29 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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WyoMX said: Ya but there's normally still grain left in the substrate that could still provide food for the mycelium no? it's just that the sub gets dry/old/dies. If there was a way to use every bit of the grain is what I'm talking about. I totally understand it's not a logical question and there's probably no way to achieve it just wondering.
It is rare in nature that you find an organism that prefers to be 100% biologically efficient. There will always be leftover grains growing cubes. They are primary saprobes and by design are intended by nature to leave nutrition behind for the next wave of organisms.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nichrome] 2
#27788852 - 05/22/22 10:53 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Spent substrate has been an amazing addition to my composting. Makes the very rich, loamy soil.
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Bra
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So what would you say? About my pictures and grow
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: WyoMX]
#27789032 - 05/23/22 04:49 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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WyoMX said: Ya I've honestly seen it go both ways. Unfortunately there's always gonna be a "one guy" I feel like. That one guy who can fix a moldy tub with peroxide, that one guy that had success cutting mold out, that one guy who says to burn your house down because you let trich start sporelating. Some people will look at a thread describing how to spot bacteria in jars and then every jar posted looks like it has bacteria in it ( hands up that one's about me ).
I see threads where people just repeat what was said to them without being able to back up the science or the why or anything. Idk it's definitely a tricky thing. I'm kinda with you I've shoeboxed some pretty gnarly jars and gotten good harvests so I try to recommend that when possible. It is hard to see people throw a jar out cuz it has one grain pressed up against the glass but it's also hard to see people try to fruit a half green tub. In the end I think most people are talking from there personal experiences where they mightve had jars that looked similar and were just mold farms.
Solid reply. Thanks for weighing in! I agree with and relate to all points.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wall.E]
#27789036 - 05/23/22 04:52 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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myc_ousin_vinny said: I've noticed that we're getting a lot of "mold or mycelium?"/"is this bacterial" type posts these days (thanks Reddit and Facebook!). I've also noticed that there seems to be a tendency to jump the gun and say "it's mold/bacteria" based on shitty pics. Anyone else see a tendency to jump the gun there?... especially when noobs reply? I know that TC's replies are usually on point though. Just my random thought this morning... I'm hopped up on coffee so... mush love 
No takers? I will say that I am still a noob as well. I just hate to see viable jars get tossed because some...person... enjoys saying "toss `em, they're fucked".
I try to be real with people. The other day someone posted in the agar thread some fuzzy pictures of their plates asking if they looked good. I told them the pictures weren’t good enough to make a real comment.
I live in my threads though, I hardly ever go to the actual board to see new posts and I miss a lot of stuff because of that.
If people wanted to get eyes on their shit they’d post in here or agar envy for suggestions
Sounds like you have a solid approach.
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Daylight LED bulb vs Grow Light Led Bulb (pink) for gardening vs Fluorescent white bulb.
I just have one near by tubs, on a lamp without a shade. Currently running the white led bulb. Should I change it up
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies]
#27789397 - 05/23/22 12:02 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I inoculated three bags six days ago. Only one is showing any signs of life so far. I'm in the process of building a flow hood so I can attempt some agar work,and just sterile processes period,from reading it seems the way to go. Very excited to start this journey. Its something I've always wanted to do. I've been growing in other industries for years. Anyhow here's what I got going on......I'm trying a liquid culture jar too. Seems to be increasing in mass,three days since inoculation.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27789637 - 05/23/22 04:30 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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tedoro said: So, there is some talk here about preparing for the second flush. Half of my tubs end up having some gushy stumps. If we set aside "its your spawn" (which of course it might be) What actions might I be taking to cause a stump to get mushy/soupy/bluegooey?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wild_aussie]
#27789641 - 05/23/22 04:33 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Adding too much water. If you didn't get a big flush the first time you won't need to add as much.
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MegaMushCloud said: I inoculated three bags six days ago. Only one is showing any signs of life so far. I'm in the process of building a flow hood so I can attempt some agar work,and just sterile processes period,from reading it seems the way to go. Very excited to start this journey. Its something I've always wanted to do. I've been growing in other industries for years. Anyhow here's what I got going on......I'm trying a liquid culture jar too. Seems to be increasing in mass,three days since inoculation.
Hello MegaMushCloud, I really like and can relate to your enthusiasm for this hobby. If this is your first time growing, may I suggest using good ole PF TEK with rice flour, vermiculite and water. Especially if you are starting from spore, PF TEK can be forgiving and actually really effective!
Now, that being said, if you are using spores to inoculate your bags, spores can take days if not longer to show signs of growth. Hopefully you flamed the needle, wiped the injection site and did what you could for a sterile process. A flow hood is a luxurious piece of machinery that id highly recommend. I made a "custom" hood from an old home air cleaner. You can still do pretty sterile work with a SAB or even in a clean room if you are using needles.
Once you have a SAB or flow hood, I highly recommend learning agar. Agar is something i enjoy...most of the time. For me it is a bit of a Zen moment. The skill will allow you access to a wider variety of genetics and more confidence in your results. I will add that Faht does do some outrageous stuff in oven bags without the use of agar!
I wish you luck on your LC. On rare occasions I'll squirt sterile water onto my agar, scrape the mycelium with the needle and suck the solution back into the syringe. Mostly I do agar>grain then G2G or bulk.
Good luck!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: YoshiTrainer]
#27789766 - 05/23/22 06:09 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Does substrate go bad?
I bought some substrate from shroomsupply at the end of March, had a bunch leftover that I didn’t use in my fridge until about a week or 2 ago when I threw it in my freezer. I emailed him and he said it lasts about a month in the fridge, but I feel like this is wrong and it will still work lol.
Will it be okay to use this substrate next month when I have more fc’d grains ?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wild_aussie]
#27789816 - 05/23/22 06:50 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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wild_aussie said:
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tedoro said: So, there is some talk here about preparing for the second flush. Half of my tubs end up having some gushy stumps. If we set aside "its your spawn" (which of course it might be) What actions might I be taking to cause a stump to get mushy/soupy/bluegooey?

Currently I'm waiting a day or two, until I see some cloudy mycelia over the stumps, then I start misting. I try to keep the tub dialed about where is was when fruiting. I haven't been dunking.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27789888 - 05/23/22 07:44 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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OMG I just did a bunch of work using 99% iso to sterilize surfaces, utensils ect... and only now I read about 70% being optimal. Luckily I clean every surface really well too before wiping with alcohol so I might be ok.
Something I realized about substrate, you know how you put a thin layer on top of substrate/spawn mix? Well, I think you should put a thin layer below and on the sides too. Any mycelium making contact with the tub isn't going to be able to grow in that direction.
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Bra
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bra]
#27789923 - 05/23/22 08:12 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Guys please help me to figure out... I grow Ecuador Cubensis in monotub. There are some doubts... Is it safe to eat shrooms from tub with some (probably) grey mould??? It looks nearly like mycelium but it smells a little bit bitter and mouldy. Although in this monotub there are a lot of pins and shrooms. Casing layer were probably too wet..
Can i eat those cubies? Ii is not toxic or smth?
It's growing from the mould I afraid. It's like grey mold (spawn) all over the casing layer and there are pins in the middle of it. Look at the foto

Thanks
Edited by Bra (05/23/22 08:27 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shroomduck] 1
#27789936 - 05/23/22 08:26 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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shroomduck said:
Something I realized about substrate, you know how you put a thin layer on top of substrate/spawn mix? Well, I think you should put a thin layer below and on the sides too. Any mycelium making contact with the tub isn't going to be able to grow in that direction.
This makes no sense.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shroomduck]
#27789937 - 05/23/22 08:28 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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shroomduck said: OMG I just did a bunch of work using 99% iso to sterilize surfaces, utensils ect... and only now I read about 70% being optimal. Luckily I clean every surface really well too before wiping with alcohol so I might be ok.
Something I realized about substrate, you know how you put a thin layer on top of substrate/spawn mix? Well, I think you should put a thin layer below and on the sides too. Any mycelium making contact with the tub isn't going to be able to grow in that direction.
Fixed that for you.
If it stops growth, why would it be on top?
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