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Nillion
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#27743391 - 04/20/22 10:12 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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The role light can play in fungus formation is underestimated and some cultures just won't fruit well or grow large caps without it.
I see a lot of dismissal of lighting from people who have not experimented with it and a lot of amazing caps from those who have.
Something to keep in mind.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nillion]
#27743414 - 04/20/22 10:24 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Yes 100% agree on the lighting. Direct lights make a huge difference.
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Lighting definitely plays a big role in fruiting.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bobbins]
#27743755 - 04/20/22 02:29 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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on this topic, adding more nutrients IE casing or dung....would this or does this improve flush or yield?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shinear] 1
#27743833 - 04/20/22 03:20 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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No. More "nutrients" (whatever that means) doesn't equal more mushrooms. Everything is a balance. The grains in your spawn are sufficient to carry your culture through multiple flushes and still have leftovers.
Plants require a considerable amount of energy both in radiation from lights/the sun and access to phosphorus/potassium to produce fruits or flowers, the same does not really apply to mushrooms.
Casings or top layers help with pinsets by creating ideal surface conditions, not as a nutritive layer.
Edited by Stipe-n Cap (04/20/22 03:28 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#27743934 - 04/20/22 04:48 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I feel like water content of sub is kind off the true mushies skill. Just kind of having to ability to tweak your water levels based on inviroment and quality of spawn etc. Also, i have a lot of temp fluctuations so i always get a lot of condensation. Also, i think, if you have shitty spawn, your tubs condensate more. For the longest time i thought this meant that my sub is too wet so i would make it way bellow FC. I think people who prepare sub for the first few times underestimate how damp you can make coir.
Also, i am very impressed by the quality of American foil. I got prints from 2 people and both times i just glided my hands over the foil to feel the nice texture, it is mesmerizing
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dendrocopos]
#27744141 - 04/20/22 06:45 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Lol we have like three types of foil too. Thin, normal and heavy duty. The big rolls of heavy duty foil are surprisingly weighty when you pick one off the shelf.
I agree about the water content. There’s a wide range of hydration that works but if you hit it just right the tub runs itself. I didn’t realize I was making mine too dry until fairly recently either. I’d always had to mist every day or two and got great results so didn’t think anything of it.
I make the coir wetter for PE tubs and one day spawned some PE and had extra coir left so I made a tub with some normal cube and it held perfect surface beads the entire time and flushed twice without being touched aside from harvest.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] 1
#27744154 - 04/20/22 06:54 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Lots of water and sub combined with a nice top layer...can't beat it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] 1
#27744158 - 04/20/22 06:58 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah. It's also good to really nail down the ratio of water and stick to one brand. Do like a series of experiments. I always would extremely over hydrate and then squeeze that shit by hand. I had mad for arm muscles from it, but doing it this way is really seriously dumb and a headache with lack of consistency
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SlugWorthx1]
#27744190 - 04/20/22 07:17 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
SlugWorthx1 said: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9796085
He describes working with both sw sourced spores (homestead) and ralphsterspores canadian sourced spores
why did he take homestead, a non blober, and turn it into a blobber?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#27744209 - 04/20/22 07:29 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Does anyone have the full strain thread ?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dendrocopos]
#27744226 - 04/20/22 07:37 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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swpe did not used to blob like it does today. I suspect it has undergone some kind of genetic damage over time.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
#27744291 - 04/20/22 08:24 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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sandman420 said: swpe did not used to blob like it does today. I suspect it has undergone some kind of genetic damage over time.
Interesting.. Explains why SW / workman never mention it. I would love a non-blob SWPE.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
#27744424 - 04/20/22 10:07 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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sandman420 said: swpe did not used to blob like it does today. I suspect it has undergone some kind of genetic damage over time.
But it always did blob right? I know SW did that heat treatment to the spores. Wonder how much that changed the appearance from Homestead PE-like to SW PE-like.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AphexPin]
#27744857 - 04/21/22 08:31 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Has anyone done a dry-grain + water tek for oats?
For the last two runs I did, I ended up not prepping enough grains, so I did lazy oat jars. The stuff I have is honestly pretty dirty for oats as well.
Anyhow, rinsed well, shook up the jars, drained, then added a bit of water and gypsum.
So far there have been no contams, but then again I recently started actually venting my Presto 23-qt.
Perhaps it is the lack of proper venting that has plagued underground mycology all of these years and grain prep can be much easier/faster?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies]
#27744900 - 04/21/22 08:48 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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You mean a no prep oat formula? 230g oats 160-170g water
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies] 1
#27744901 - 04/21/22 08:49 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah venting is a must! 10 mins at a minimum.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#27744906 - 04/21/22 08:52 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Crackatoa said: You mean a no prep oat formula? 230g oats 160-170g water
That has consistently been good for you? I found that with around 200gs the oats expanded a LOT. will try today perhaps!
Also, do you rinse them first? or just dump them dry and call it a day? im not sure id trust how dusty my oats are, probably the cheapest grade of horse oats.
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Edited by Huskies (04/21/22 08:55 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies]
#27744916 - 04/21/22 09:08 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I might try and rinse first then. Weigh it out, rinse it off, weight again and substrate the added water from the water you'll add. I've only ran it a couple times but it worked good. As with any no prep, it'll need to be shaken ASAP after the PC cycle. I vent 15 min, sometimes 20 if I'm busy doing something else, and PC a minimum of 120 min.
Edited by Crackatoa (04/21/22 09:08 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#27744918 - 04/21/22 09:10 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Crackatoa said: I might try and rinse first then. Weigh it out, rinse it off, weight again and substrate the added water from the water you'll add. I've only ran it a couple times but it worked good. As with any no prep, it'll need to be shaken ASAP after the PC cycle.
To avoid clumping? I think I've sprinkled gypsum in mine.
Perhaps my jars were too full, and I will say that came out looking somewhat dry compared to most, but they are colonizing fine and had no clumping what so ever. Only issue is that they are hard to shake because there is virtually no space.
Good call on the water weighing out, time for science.
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