Home | Community | Message Board

Cannabis Seeds - Original Sensible Seeds
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   Mushroom-Hut Grow Bags   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   North Spore Cultivation Supplies

Jump to first unread post Pages: < First | < Back | 2724 | 2725 | 2726 | 2727 | 2728 | 2729 | 2730 | 2731 | 2732 | 2733 | 2734 | 2735 | 2736 | 2737 | 2738 | 2739 | 2740 | 2741 | 2742 | 2743 | 2744 | Next > | Last >
OfflineDERRAYLD
Constructus
Male User Gallery
Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 9,288
Loc: South Africa
Last seen: 6 hours, 17 minutes
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27741815 - 04/19/22 10:59 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

?

Why do so many of us advocate and practice no prep millet if that statement were true?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDendrocopos
Latin woodpecker
I'm a teapot


Registered: 11/02/21
Posts: 511
Loc: Chained in RR's cellar
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27741855 - 04/19/22 11:25 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I mean, that doesn't really mean anything. Not saying the thread is true, but just cause some people have success with something doesn't mean it's the truest method. Many people vouch for prep and rinsing.

Also, it's not bacterial, but bacterial looking. Maybe it's legitimate bacteria, but that seems less likely based on experiments from the thread.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetedoro
ToadStool Tender
Male


Registered: 02/06/15
Posts: 2,206
Last seen: 21 hours, 39 minutes
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dendrocopos]
    #27741858 - 04/19/22 11:29 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I'm also suspicious that if ones noc'ing method is very aggressive (say... G2G or tons of LC), bad prep can be overcome. I'm noc'ing a big bag of grain with a quarter slice of agar. It needs to be perfectly prepped.


--------------------
--------------------
Deep pour soft agar plates-->bags of WBS-->Low Profile Monos
Clean spawn thread | Put a thermometer on your PC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDERRAYLD
Constructus
Male User Gallery
Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 9,288
Loc: South Africa
Last seen: 6 hours, 17 minutes
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27741861 - 04/19/22 11:31 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I'm not following,  no prep millet is tried and tested.

P9 and crackatoa both have their own no prep teks.
I've used no prep millet for over 10 years with great success along side wbs, milo and oats.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDendrocopos
Latin woodpecker
I'm a teapot


Registered: 11/02/21
Posts: 511
Loc: Chained in RR's cellar
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27741869 - 04/19/22 11:37 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Yeah, i mean, that doesn't mean anything at all. The fact that your grain works unwashed, doesn't mean someone else's will too. We are talking about rinsing or no rinsing. There's a lot of people who shit on no prep. I recall RR saying he hates no prep and you mentioned p9, who, in his Tek, talks about how he gets shitty results when he doesn't rinse.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleStipe-n CapMDiscord
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/04/12
Posts: 7,623
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DERRAYLD] * 1
    #27741871 - 04/19/22 11:38 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I rinse my grains clean regardless of grain type. I soak millet which isn't a no prep method. No prep is an all in one raw grain with water in a jar tek, which I do not personally like.

No conclusions have been reached in that (Josex') thread and I doubt that there ever will be.


Edited by Stipe-n Cap (04/19/22 02:12 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetedoro
ToadStool Tender
Male


Registered: 02/06/15
Posts: 2,206
Last seen: 21 hours, 39 minutes
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27741873 - 04/19/22 11:41 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Ha, thats dark p9.


--------------------
--------------------
Deep pour soft agar plates-->bags of WBS-->Low Profile Monos
Clean spawn thread | Put a thermometer on your PC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDendrocopos
Latin woodpecker
I'm a teapot


Registered: 11/02/21
Posts: 511
Loc: Chained in RR's cellar
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27741879 - 04/19/22 11:44 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

It's true. Unless a wealthy benefactor decides to donate a MRI spectrometer and a couple of scientist on payroll to the shroomery, it's just theories. Wich makes me sad, but it's true.

I rinse the the bajesus out of grain. As said, mine comes with all sorts of funky additives.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleStipe-n CapMDiscord
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/04/12
Posts: 7,623
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro] * 3
    #27741891 - 04/19/22 11:50 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

:whathesaid:

The issue here is that we're dealing with visually matching macroscopic morphological stress response of mycelium to a set of microscopic biological stressors like bacteria or chemistry.

I believe that it's far more important that we can distinguish between the two via inference rather than scientific certainty. We can tell by the colonies behavior that it's stressed, stress will primarily be the result of bacteria imo due to the ubiquitous nature of bacteria; but if you are certain that all efforts to resolve bacteria have been taken and the problem persists, then it must either be a toxing or a chemical, 6 of one half dozen of the other.

So when stress is detected attempt to remove all sources of bacterial infection, if the stress persists then switch grains.

This seems like a reasonable approach; any scientific certainty beyond this will require actual laboratory invewtigation which is beyond hobby level inquiry, imo.

So yeah, that's about the size of it.


Edited by Stipe-n Cap (04/19/22 02:00 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDERRAYLD
Constructus
Male User Gallery
Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 9,288
Loc: South Africa
Last seen: 6 hours, 17 minutes
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27741903 - 04/19/22 11:53 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Makes sense.

I haven't felt the need to ever rinse my millet, all other grains I rinse and prep before hand before the pc but millet I pour in and add water.

I changed from wbs because my source had become so bad but the millet has never needed it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetedoro
ToadStool Tender
Male


Registered: 02/06/15
Posts: 2,206
Last seen: 21 hours, 39 minutes
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dendrocopos]
    #27741910 - 04/19/22 11:56 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Dendrocopos said:
It's true. Unless a wealthy benefactor decides to donate a MRI spectrometer and a couple of scientist on payroll to the shroomery, it's just theories. Wich makes me sad, but it's true.

I rinse the the bajesus out of grain. As said, mine comes with all sorts of funky additives.




I've started to rinse my grains with the paint stirring paddle I use for my coir. The more I agitate the more comes off the seeds (birdseed). Its insane how much one can rinse. My spawn is looking better and better.

and I hear all that P9. What I'm most interested in is the conversation that toxins/chemicals exist in our hobby and PC'ing doesn't fix it. This isn't part of the 'welcome to the cult' dialog. Its still said that we wash the grains to clean them of dirt... maybe to make the PC'ing more effective. And I do not believe that is why rinsing is so beneficial to grain prep.


--------------------
--------------------
Deep pour soft agar plates-->bags of WBS-->Low Profile Monos
Clean spawn thread | Put a thermometer on your PC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleStipe-n CapMDiscord
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/04/12
Posts: 7,623
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27741931 - 04/19/22 12:03 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Pasty never rinses or washes either.

The way I see it is that there are plenty of grains that people say that don't require rinsing, but even if it's not required you've at least done no harm and may have provided yourself a prophylactic against fuckery. I rinse all grains now because not only am I not in a rush but I enjoy my process, it's meditative. I often have issues with unrinsed grains, others don't seem to, so rinse it is.

The most important thing to remember is to do what works for you, and if you can identify stress and you know how to deal with it, then you're self sufficient and ahead of the game.

Whether your issue is bacteria, mold, or some other invisible force all that matters is whether or not you can spot the issue and rectify it...which may ultimately mean switching grain source or type depending upon the scenario and availability.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDendrocopos
Latin woodpecker
I'm a teapot


Registered: 11/02/21
Posts: 511
Loc: Chained in RR's cellar
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27741941 - 04/19/22 12:07 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Maybe a bit of topic, but I really like a comment i saw from someone on here, maybe even in this thread, it was so accurate. It was a response to a guy who had mysterious issues with all his tubs going green even though he had good cultures. It went something along the lines of.

"First will come the mycotoxin crew and blame it on chemicals. Then the mycoparasite people will stick their head in, followed by the believers of left over starch in your coir prep bucket causing problems."

I dunno, feel like it sums up the shroomery really well :lol: Not saying any of those things aren't true. Accept maybe the starch thing i find a little bs (unless you have huge amounts of visible starch in the bucket), altough i have dedicated buckets. Just, the only person who can help you is yourself, cause everyone has specific problems and materials. The best advice to give is to get a notebook and do experiments i feel like :lol:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDERRAYLD
Constructus
Male User Gallery
Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 9,288
Loc: South Africa
Last seen: 6 hours, 17 minutes
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dendrocopos]
    #27741951 - 04/19/22 12:11 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Very true.

In the end do whatever works for you.
We all have different scenarios that we deal with on a daily basis.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetedoro
ToadStool Tender
Male


Registered: 02/06/15
Posts: 2,206
Last seen: 21 hours, 39 minutes
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27742008 - 04/19/22 12:49 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Quote:

DERRAYLD said:
Very true.

In the end do whatever works for you.
We all have different scenarios that we deal with on a daily basis.




Sure, but at some point we are shoomery, not reddit. Its cool we aren't cold dunking cubes and blood letting anymore. Its nice that people who want to learn best practice can come here.


--------------------
--------------------
Deep pour soft agar plates-->bags of WBS-->Low Profile Monos
Clean spawn thread | Put a thermometer on your PC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDERRAYLD
Constructus
Male User Gallery
Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 9,288
Loc: South Africa
Last seen: 6 hours, 17 minutes
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27742014 - 04/19/22 12:53 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

100% agreed, what works for me won't work for someone else.
Best to rinse in this scenario if you aren't able to get a good quality millet or for that matter rinse just for the harm reduction.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJXAllen
Cannalyst


Registered: 08/06/21
Posts: 615
Last seen: 1 day, 5 hours
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27742046 - 04/19/22 01:15 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I'm pretty new to mycology, so my experience is limited.  But the only difference I've had with washed or unwashed millet was the amount of dirt/dust in my jars. The unwashed looked dirty, but it colonized perfectly fine. I've done both agar and LC to my jars and both work very well. That said,  I still see a lot of posts by TCs and others saying a jar of someone's spawn looks bacterial, and if it's not a big bald patch I'm still not 100% sure what I'm looking at.


--------------------
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary and those that do not.
Cultures I'm workin on


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleStipe-n CapMDiscord
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/04/12
Posts: 7,623
Loc: Canada
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JXAllen]
    #27742052 - 04/19/22 01:24 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Well, lets put it this way:

The biggest threat to the health of your spawn is likely to be thermophilic bacterial endospores; they're somewhat tricky to destroy. Endospores will be present in the filth associated with your grains without a doubt....so by rinsing away the dirt you are removing endospores that would have otherwise been loaded into your vessels along with your grains.

Seems like an easy choice to me, but if you can get away with it :shrug:

I'm a stickler for cleanliness anyways so it suits my nature.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCrackatoa
Stranger in a strange land
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/19
Posts: 5,399
Loc: Over by your Mama's house Flag
Last seen: 59 minutes, 38 seconds
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27742079 - 04/19/22 01:52 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Quote:

p9hu7 said:
No conclusions have been reached in that thread and I doubt that there ever will be.



Are we talking about my thread here?


--------------------

Crack's Tek's and Shit



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleStipe-n CapMDiscord
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/04/12
Posts: 7,623
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa] * 2
    #27742085 - 04/19/22 01:55 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

No, josex' thread. The grain prep thread.

The two topics are kind of mashed together there. I was saying that I don't prefer no prep, Just my personal preference.

The last bit was about josex' thread and the topic of mycotoxins and how a conclusion is not likely to be arrived at without true laboratory investigation.


Edited by Stipe-n Cap (04/19/22 02:02 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < First | < Back | 2724 | 2725 | 2726 | 2727 | 2728 | 2729 | 2730 | 2731 | 2732 | 2733 | 2734 | 2735 | 2736 | 2737 | 2738 | 2739 | 2740 | 2741 | 2742 | 2743 | 2744 | Next > | Last >

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   Mushroom-Hut Grow Bags   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   North Spore Cultivation Supplies


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* alt.drugs.mushrooms.cultivation (good/bad idea) BikeCourier 6,440 9 10/26/21 06:04 PM
by LogicaL Chaos
* Vegetative growth VS generative growth? LoveLightPeace 1,542 1 06/04/18 02:15 PM
by jason9086
* casing from "The mushroom Cultivator" upupup 17,893 8 11/13/20 10:41 AM
by tiptrippy
* YoshiTrainer's guide to low-prep grains
( 1 2 3 4 ... 12 13 all )
YoshiTrainer 8,237 249 01/07/24 06:48 PM
by MoJim
* Important - All Cultivators please read.
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
ThorA 41,584 103 05/31/05 03:35 AM
by Anno
* Post deleted by users_request
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
McMan 25,295 93 05/06/01 01:56 PM
by 3DSHROOM
* Post deleted by users_request
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
NuShroomPharmerII 26,676 85 06/04/01 04:53 PM
by MNmyc
* VOTE!! Outdoor Cultivation Forum w/Moe For Mod!!
( 1 2 3 4 all )
TM 23,449 73 04/13/10 01:30 AM
by jingus

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
1,194,917 topic views. 43 members, 368 guests and 65 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.049 seconds spending 0.025 seconds on 15 queries.