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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ozbuckley] * 2
    #27740774 - 04/18/22 06:50 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Hi

I had some cobweb contam in my jars a couple of weeks back. I washed out the jars with hot water and soap.

I just filled them up with grains to PC for 90mins.

I realise now I should've PCd the empty jars beforehand to sterilize properly.

Am I right in thinking that the jars with grains in them will be sterilised ok after their PC, but the room I was in when the jars were opened before PCing is a risk for contams?





No need to sterilize empty jars. They can be pretty dirty or have had mold in them and they'll come out of the pc sterile. The thing to make sure of is that there is no nutritious substance like grain or grain residue around the rim where the lid sits.

I usually rinse them out but sometimes I'll just spawn and load them right back up again if there isn't too much debris left over.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nichrome]
    #27741168 - 04/18/22 10:20 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Two questions.

1. I just switched to oats from WBS, and I think my quart jars were a touch wet. Any suggestions? Favorite tek? I spawned them to shoeboxes anyways….

2. My microwave broke tonight while making agar, agar/LME is in 500ml media bottle ready to microwave then PC. What should I do? Let them sit in boiling water?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #27741181 - 04/18/22 10:33 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Oh shit I thought you were saying your media bottle broke, not the microwave :lol: You can steam the agar bottles in a pot like a BRF cake for 40 minutes and be good to go.


My favorite Oat TEK is the Millet TEK :rofl2: I never got the feel for oats.....Anyone want 100lbs?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27741190 - 04/18/22 10:40 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Several Oat preps work very well. I think, I dig oats. I like wheat better but oat's will always be my go-to in times of need. I keep 50# on hand. Of course I should Suggest mine I guess :cool: They're all pretty much the same really when you break it down. Oats take for fuckin ever to dry.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27741192 - 04/18/22 10:41 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I do! I heard quality millet is amazing…. Where did you get it? I have them in my PC (top off,) with the lids unscrewed some letting it sit in really hot water for a bit.

What millet tek do you follow?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27741194 - 04/18/22 10:42 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I recognize your avatar thing. What makes you like wheat better? Seems like everyone has their own opinion


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic] * 2
    #27741202 - 04/18/22 10:47 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Hopefully that's a good thing :shrug: I'd like to think people know me for more than that. It's a quick 20 min boil and strain for a bit, lay them out flat and you can load in 20-30 min. The boil time differ's, you gotta keep checking the wheat for hydration but after awhile you can just tell.

You ever get that print Dendro?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27741204 - 04/18/22 10:48 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Keep that 50 on hand in case shit gets ugly :guns:

I think oats spark a lot of controversy. You can beat the shit out of them, which is nice. You can hardboil em for a couple of hours. But some people get funky looking spawn from them. But I do think a lot of mushroom farms use em. Also, i heard that they were the most nutritious grain, but don't quoet me on that.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #27741207 - 04/18/22 10:51 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I find oats to be very user friendly, economical, and productive both time wise and in the end. They take their own care and vary from batch to batch. I think the variance between batches is the crux in most peoples grain game and not the grain specifically. All the cereal grains are good. Wheat, oats, barley, rye, etc... What's cheap, good, available, and is calling to you? That's what's important.

There are hundreds of varieties of oats and infinite variation in growing conditions and harvest conditions.

I really like millet too.

Right now I'm on a red milo kick.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dendrocopos]
    #27741208 - 04/18/22 10:52 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

You hard boil for 2 hrs? Is it oatmeal? I do 45min Hot soak. I've been doing the milo/wheat mix the last few runs


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27741210 - 04/18/22 10:54 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Is there some sort of guideline on tracking down good grains ? I've definitely had better and worse batches. How do they differ between time of harvest etc ?

No, i don't, just saying they can take that kind of beating.

My fav is like 1:3 millet to Milo. Looks cool as fuck. But besides that i find my millet tends to be slower than cereal grains. The Milo speeds things up and you still get some of the inoculation power of millet. :laugh:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dendrocopos]
    #27741225 - 04/18/22 11:06 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Is there some sort of guideline on tracking down good grains ?





Yes, don't go to my Oat supplier :lol: talk about the shit that gets sifted from the bottom of a silo....


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27741247 - 04/18/22 11:45 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

One benefit of cheap oats is all the fun stuff you get mixed in with it. Dead rats, plastic, feathers, cloth. I always see the mycelium colonising and i can't help but ponder in excitement about how it's gonna deal with it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dendrocopos]
    #27741255 - 04/18/22 11:55 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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One benefit of cheap oats is all the fun stuff you get mixed in with it. Dead rats, plastic, feathers, cloth. I always see the mycelium colonising and i can't help but ponder in excitement about how it's gonna deal with it.





......maybe you should get together with my oat supplier. Mine aren't that dirty


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dendrocopos]
    #27741260 - 04/18/22 11:59 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Your favorite grain is oats as well? If yes/no, then what is and why? I used WBS forever, now oats but unsure.

Only thing I know is I think WBS in G2G master jars would be preferable.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dendrocopos]
    #27741262 - 04/19/22 12:02 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Alright the rat might have been a figure of speech. But all the other things have definitely happened :lol:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #27741300 - 04/19/22 12:48 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Two questions.

1. I just switched to oats from WBS, and I think my quart jars were a touch wet. Any suggestions? Favorite tek? I spawned them to shoeboxes anyways….

2. My microwave broke tonight while making agar, agar/LME is in 500ml media bottle ready to microwave then PC. What should I do? Let them sit in boiling water?



1. My WBS/millet turned out on the wet side the last 2 times I did it and some jars look hella bacterial. Am now drying the next batch and will leave it to dry an hour longer, we'll see how it goes this time.

2. I don't even have a microwave, I just bring a full pot of water to a boil, put the bottles in there (caps loose) and boil it this way. Takes a few minutes longer but it works.

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What millet tek do you follow?



Rinse the shit out of it with the hottest water your tap can do then soak in water (same temperature) over night, I go for 18 hours. No boil, just soak, strain and PC for 2-3 hours.
Rinse, soak for 10 hours, change water, bring to a simmer and immediately take off the heat worked well too but I had much more burst grains.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #27741334 - 04/19/22 02:43 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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What millet tek do you follow?




Depending on the quality of the millet I receive I will rinse and dry or do no prep. If the millet is pretty clean, no prep is the way to go. 1cup millet, 1/2cup water, dash gypsum in a quart jar. PC at 15psi for 90 minutes. If I get cheaper millet, dusty and full of stem bits, I'll measure it out into my rice washing strainer and rinse it and pick out most of the stem pieces. I'll allow that to dry and then follow the no prep steps. In both cases, it's best to pull the jars and shake them as soon as you can handle them. If you've got some good thermal gloves, as soon as the pressure drops is best. If not, as soon as you can safely handle the jars. Don't worry about some clumping. It always happens and I've never had any issues with clumps colonizing. You can break them up later, when you're adding it to your sub.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27741461 - 04/19/22 06:14 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Anyone using Steam Crimped Oats? I've heard good things and think that is funny because they come pre-broken!

Evidently the Pollock recipe works just fine (2 cups steam crimped oats to 1/4-1/2 cup water) and shake before totally cool. Less water is used if the mix it too wet, but the 1/2 cup should work well with many steam crimped oat brands.

Oats are pretty handy, even oatmeal water agar works well.
Most any grain or seed works but rye, wheat and oats are indeed cheap and plentiful. Steam crimped oats are more expensive than other grains at $12-$15 for 50lbs.

(edited for clarity and because I had the wrong recipe up. It is 1 cup crimped oats to 1/4 cup water for pint jars and the above recipe for quart jars.)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JXAllen]
    #27741794 - 04/19/22 10:51 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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What millet tek do you follow?




Depending on the quality of the millet I receive I will rinse and dry or do no prep. If the millet is pretty clean, no prep is the way to go. 1cup millet, 1/2cup water, dash gypsum in a quart jar. PC at 15psi for 90 minutes. If I get cheaper millet, dusty and full of stem bits, I'll measure it out into my rice washing strainer and rinse it and pick out most of the stem pieces. I'll allow that to dry and then follow the no prep steps. In both cases, it's best to pull the jars and shake them as soon as you can handle them. If you've got some good thermal gloves, as soon as the pressure drops is best. If not, as soon as you can safely handle the jars. Don't worry about some clumping. It always happens and I've never had any issues with clumps colonizing. You can break them up later, when you're adding it to your sub.




Just a heads up... TC's here have noted 100% bacterial spawn with unwashed millet. For more on the importance of washing grain... check out this thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27382275


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