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UFOAstro
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27739889 - 04/18/22 09:16 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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So I've got some cakes in water tub tek at the moment and some of them are doing just fine:

However others look more like this and I'm wondering why can't I try partially dunking the cake for a few hours while its fruiting? (say 5 hours)

^^ There its got a bit less than 1cm of water around it
Is this a good idea or I'm just messing up tried and tested tek?
Edited by UFOAstro (04/18/22 09:32 AM)
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Snazz
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tweeq]
#27739890 - 04/18/22 09:17 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Tweeq said: Interesting point about soaking and endospores.
I also soak my rye berries for 12 hrs before boiling them.
The reason is that with just boiling I find it hard to get the grains all moist on the inside while the kernels are already bursting from boiling them.
Then after boiling I fan dry the grains untill totally dry on the outside and then load in jars and pc.
Not having to soak would make my life a lot easier but I come to regret it every time I don't do the soaking. Either a lot of burst grains or not fully hydrated.
If there's a reliable way to get them optimally prepped with no soak, I'd like to try it out
There's a soak duration where you aren't doing much fermentation but certainly do get a gentle expansion of the grain, which saves you from starchy blown up grains & is still a hospitable environment to hatch some latent endospores
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Nillion
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a] 2
#27739899 - 04/18/22 09:22 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: The pcing moldy jars is done before you clean them out so you’re not breathing in tons of live mold spores when you open the jars.
For the record mycotoxins like Aflatoxins are produced by many common contaminant molds like Aspergillus and while a PC cycle will kill the spores it will not destroy the toxic chemicals the molds produce.
Even if you PC your moldy jars the mold inside them and the spores can still be very toxic.
Even breathing dead mold spores can cause serious health problems. Avoid that.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Snazz] 1
#27739901 - 04/18/22 09:23 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I bring mine to a rolling boil and then turn it down to a slow boil. It fully hydrates and they never burst. No presoak.
Edited by MrBlueshrooms (04/18/22 09:25 AM)
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A.k.a
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nillion] 2
#27739913 - 04/18/22 09:33 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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UFOAstro said: So I've got some cakes in water tub tek at the moment and some of them are doing just fine:

However others look more like this and I'm wondering why can't I try partially dunking the cake for a few hours while its fruiting? (say 5 hours)

^^ There its got a bit less than 1cm of water around it
Is this a good idea or I'm just messing up tried a tested tek?
You could dunk but it’ll probably water log the mushrooms unless it’s just real quick with plenty of fae after. It looks like the humidity is low in there, the cakes should be kind of glistening.
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Nillion said:
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A.k.a said: The pcing moldy jars is done before you clean them out so you’re not breathing in tons of live mold spores when you open the jars.
For the record mycotoxins like Aflatoxins are produced by many common contaminant molds like Aspergillus and while a PC cycle will kill the spores it will not destroy the toxic chemicals the molds produce.
Even if you PC your moldy jars the mold inside them and the spores can still be very toxic.
Even breathing dead mold spores can cause serious health problems. Avoid that.
True, it’s best to just avoid letting mold get bad to start with. But besides pcing to kill the mold it’s also a good idea to open the jars in a bucket under soapy water. That’s by far the best way I’ve tried.
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Edited by A.k.a (04/18/22 09:35 AM)
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UFOAstro
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27739943 - 04/18/22 09:56 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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A.k.a said:
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UFOAstro said: ... However others look more like this and I'm wondering why can't I try partially dunking the cake for a few hours while its fruiting? (say 5 hours)

^^ There its got a bit less than 1cm of water around it
Is this a good idea or I'm just messing up tried a tested tek?
You could dunk but it’ll probably water log the mushrooms unless it’s just real quick with plenty of fae after. It looks like the humidity is low in there, the cakes should be kind of glistening.
I'm struggling with the surface conditions for these. I had better luck with surface conditions when using coir.
Okay, will remove that sucker in a few and return to water tub
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I always just boil my rye or wheat, but I find the little grains in WBS hydrate better, with less mess if I soak overnight and then a quick boil before straining and drying. I was having a lot of trouble transitioning to bird seed at first, because I was trying to prep it the same as I do larger serial grains. Always ended up with a starchy mess that was hard to properly dry and hard to shake.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Snazz]
#27739949 - 04/18/22 09:57 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Snazz said:
There's a soak duration where you aren't doing much fermentation but certainly do get a gentle expansion of the grain, which saves you from starchy blown up grains & is still a hospitable environment to hatch some latent endospores
Endospores are not likely to reactivate while soaking in water.
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tedoro
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nillion]
#27740064 - 04/18/22 11:31 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Nillion said:
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A.k.a said: The pcing moldy jars is done before you clean them out so you’re not breathing in tons of live mold spores when you open the jars.
For the record mycotoxins like Aflatoxins are produced by many common contaminant molds like Aspergillus and while a PC cycle will kill the spores it will not destroy the toxic chemicals the molds produce.
Even if you PC your moldy jars the mold inside them and the spores can still be very toxic.
Even breathing dead mold spores can cause serious health problems. Avoid that.
Hey Nillion... have you been following our thread on mycotoxins? Forgive me if you have...
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27382275
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] 1
#27740070 - 04/18/22 11:35 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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There's no proof that thread is about mycotoxins. No one knows what that thread is about. Surely mycotoxins are bad though.
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Snazz
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27740090 - 04/18/22 11:51 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Interesting, thx. I had to catch up on Bodhi's thread on the matter.
I remember reading something a long time ago on here with scope pics and pictures intervaled soak and PC runs
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shinear
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27740164 - 04/18/22 12:53 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Woot.....happy b day to me....




Came in this morning and had mushies....first harvest is not big but my b day so I am happy...ate a small piece during harvest..... put samples from both on agar x 3 so hope to get a few clones of biggest ones, will also try to clone the mutants from Jedi box. should have taken picture before samples, oh well will get better! 
My next few boxes should be better I rushed these 2 with thinner sub and I think they are probably dryish and I could not leave them alone being first 2.
Edited by shinear (04/18/22 01:06 PM)
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MTZ
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shinear]
#27740173 - 04/18/22 12:58 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Fresh tea for your birthday! 
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Nillion
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#27740176 - 04/18/22 01:01 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I have not read any threads about mycotoxins.
I have private notes on them.
I have read many pages of that thread and a couple others like it here. I spent weeks reading before I joined and have read most active threads, including several that are hundreds of pages long.
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Tweeq
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MTZ]
#27740198 - 04/18/22 01:12 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the input guys. I'll try again and get it just right without soaking first by way of letting it simmer a bit after initial rolling boil, like someone suggested.
If so many of you can pull it off then I should be able too. I rotate quite a few monos so it would be a time saver and take less pre planning.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shinear]
#27740225 - 04/18/22 01:33 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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shinear said: Woot.....happy b day to me....




Came in this morning and had mushies....first harvest is not big but my b day so I am happy...ate a small piece during harvest..... put samples from both on agar x 3 so hope to get a few clones of biggest ones, will also try to clone the mutants from Jedi box. should have taken picture before samples, oh well will get better! 
My next few boxes should be better I rushed these 2 with thinner sub and I think they are probably dryish and I could not leave them alone being first 2.
Many happy returns bud! A great result for your first few tubs! I’m with MTZ, fresh Shroom tea for your birthday 
Good luck with your clones but don’t always go for the biggest in your tub. You definitely should if you wanna but best results usually come from dense clusters in my experience.
Enjoy!!!
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shinear
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SwabMarley]
#27740253 - 04/18/22 01:50 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Thanx for the clone tip, will do more when I harvest rest of tubs!
?? would it work to use some from the top of sub (big dense part)??
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shinear]
#27740295 - 04/18/22 02:13 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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To clone from your sub? That’s definitely not a good idea. Not sure if that’s what you mean or I’ve had too many beers. You wanna be ripping the stipe open with your fingers of the desirable fruit and then with a sterilised scalpel/tweezers be pulling a sample from inside where you made the rip. The idea is to get sterile tissue that hasn’t been exposed to air.
Alternatively that’s not your question at all and I’ll slowly fade into the background….background……background….
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SwabMarley]
#27740342 - 04/18/22 02:43 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Edited by Mr. Mushie (03/06/23 01:38 AM)
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sandman420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr. Mushie]
#27740348 - 04/18/22 02:47 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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4 foot by 4 foot? That's enormous are you sure that shouldn't say 2x4? I've never seen a 4x4 filter commonly available.
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