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shinear
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doctor Mario]
#27734304 - 04/14/22 11:24 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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general question
is there a good thread or good rule of thumb on airflow in boxes?
I have watched ton of videos and looked at a lot of ideas but I have 2 boxes looking like the flush will be small and spread apart (few trees in the forest)
I may just be overreacting due to inexperience and it may be fine in a few days but I want to take action if I need too.
They look healthy but are few.......
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shinear]
#27734323 - 04/14/22 11:35 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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shinear said: general question
is there a good thread or good rule of thumb on airflow in boxes?
I have watched ton of videos and looked at a lot of ideas but I have 2 boxes looking like the flush will be small and spread apart (few trees in the forest)
I may just be overreacting due to inexperience and it may be fine in a few days but I want to take action if I need too.
They look healthy but are few.......
If it's a multispore grow, anything could be the reason of having only few fruits.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shinear]
#27734334 - 04/14/22 11:45 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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shinear said: general question
is there a good thread or good rule of thumb on airflow in boxes?
I have watched ton of videos and looked at a lot of ideas but I have 2 boxes looking like the flush will be small and spread apart (few trees in the forest)
I may just be overreacting due to inexperience and it may be fine in a few days but I want to take action if I need too.
They look healthy but are few.......
One thing that is difficult to explain to someone learning 'dialing in your mono' as we often say here.... is that the water content in the coir is directly connected to the behavior of your tub with airflow. Too little water in the coir, and you'll find yourself closing the holes up and overmisting. The dream is to not mist until after the first flush, and still have enough airflow for the substrate to set a bunch of pins. I find more air exchange causes more pinning... IF... you can pull it off without scorching the surface dry.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27734353 - 04/14/22 12:09 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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grow is spore to agar, agar to popcorn, popcorn to boxes, mycelium was well colonized in jars and substrate made to 50 50 coir/vermiculite recipes found here and slightly to wet side due to location.
That is why I think air transfer/flow may be an issue, shoe boxes in big box with shoe box lid. (double shoe box no holes)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shinear]
#27734357 - 04/14/22 12:18 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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shinear said: grow is spore to agar, agar to popcorn, popcorn to boxes, mycelium was well colonized in jars and substrate made to 50 50 coir/vermiculite recipes found here and slightly to wet side due to location.
That is why I think air transfer/flow may be an issue, shoe boxes in big box with shoe box lid. (double shoe box no holes)
Why not take the shoebox lids off while they're all in there? I've taken to colonizing out of the mono with shoebox lids on and then popping them in to the mono with only big mono lid on once they're colonized. Still gotta dial it in of course but I find the double lids are a hindrance.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: iceNock]
#27734479 - 04/14/22 02:30 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Quick question please. Do you swab PE that the veil have broken?
I just swabbed my first PE fruits and opted to pick a couple of fruits that still had it's veil intact. Flamed a scalpel and tore the veil. Then swabbed.
Will this extra step help with cleaner spore swabs?
Any tips to share? Thanks in advance!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Atomsplit]
#27734496 - 04/14/22 02:45 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Atomsplit said: Quick question please. Do you swab PE that the veil have broken?
I just swabbed my first PE fruits and opted to pick a couple of fruits that still had it's veil intact. Flamed a scalpel and tore the veil. Then swabbed.
Will this extra step help with cleaner spore swabs?
Any tips to share? Thanks in advance!

Yep, that'll help you get cleaner swabs for sure. No swab or spore print will be 100% "sterile" but yeah, if the veil is still closed, it'll be way cleaner. Some people will also clean up their spore prints by letting the cap sit and drop spores for a few hours, and then move it onto a new piece of foil and let it drop more spores. The first batch of spores will have more bacteria and shit that falls off with it, and then the second spore print will be mainly spores.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#27734885 - 04/14/22 07:15 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Hey, how much condensation do you get in monos and other such things ?
I don't have a thermostat so i get like -+10c temp swings. I always get pretty extreme condensation on the bottom of my lid. If I take the lid and swing it, it creates a little puddle. It's a pretty serious amount of water. Is this sort of a normal thing for ? My sub always has these spots of less dense colonisation and i am kind of starting to thing it's from the water dripping down and creating little puddles. It's really fucking annoying, because if you don't make the coir wet enough, the substrate gets dry as fuck before fruiting even.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dendrocopos] 1
#27734971 - 04/14/22 08:11 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Dendrocopos said: Hey, how much condensation do you get in monos and other such things ?
I don't have a thermostat so i get like -+10c temp swings. I always get pretty extreme condensation on the bottom of my lid. If I take the lid and swing it, it creates a little puddle. It's a pretty serious amount of water. Is this sort of a normal thing for ? My sub always has these spots of less dense colonisation and i am kind of starting to thing it's from the water dripping down and creating little puddles. It's really fucking annoying, because if you don't make the coir wet enough, the substrate gets dry as fuck before fruiting even.
I think most would say here to think less about that, and more about what your substrate looks like. Its nice to have a room that the temps don't swing much, but sometimes that hard to pull off, then the walls and ceiling get pretty drippy. Its no big thing.... unless your sub is drowning. I find a couple puddles nothing to worry about. I dab them up with a paper towel if I have time. Or let them be and try to get the room not to swing temps so much.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dendrocopos] 1
#27735614 - 04/15/22 09:07 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Dendrocopos said: Hey, how much condensation do you get in monos and other such things ?
I don't have a thermostat so i get like -+10c temp swings. I always get pretty extreme condensation on the bottom of my lid. If I take the lid and swing it, it creates a little puddle. It's a pretty serious amount of water. Is this sort of a normal thing for ? My sub always has these spots of less dense colonisation and i am kind of starting to thing it's from the water dripping down and creating little puddles. It's really fucking annoying, because if you don't make the coir wet enough, the substrate gets dry as fuck before fruiting even.
I deal with that too. I get rid of the water on the lid when the droplets start to get pretty big. Pick the lid straight up instead if going side to side. As soon as there's any kind of incline, all that water is gonna come rushing down. Be gentle about it and carry it to a sink.
Liners also reduce water build up around the sub edges because the water drips down between the wall and the liner.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doctor Mario]
#27735682 - 04/15/22 09:59 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Doctor Mario said:
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Dendrocopos said: Hey, how much condensation do you get in monos and other such things ?
I don't have a thermostat so i get like -+10c temp swings. I always get pretty extreme condensation on the bottom of my lid. If I take the lid and swing it, it creates a little puddle. It's a pretty serious amount of water. Is this sort of a normal thing for ? My sub always has these spots of less dense colonisation and i am kind of starting to thing it's from the water dripping down and creating little puddles. It's really fucking annoying, because if you don't make the coir wet enough, the substrate gets dry as fuck before fruiting even.
I deal with that too. I get rid of the water on the lid when the droplets start to get pretty big. Pick the lid straight up instead if going side to side. As soon as there's any kind of incline, all that water is gonna come rushing down. Be gentle about it and carry it to a sink.
Liners also reduce water build up around the sub edges because the water drips down between the wall and the liner.
Same here too. Lots of condensation on the lids and walls, to the point where you don't want to accidentally bump into your tub or it all rushes down.
When it gets too wet and forms puddles in the corners I will often just take the tub outside, lid off, tilt and drain into the yard. I got tired of endless wasting of paper on my surfaces and this way, nothing even touches the sub
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#27735838 - 04/15/22 11:38 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah the thing is once I start fiddling with it, shit starts to go south. I accidentally pat it too dry, than i mist too much and you break the golden rule of don't fuck with the mushies. I just wonder if the water droplets dripping down and causing puddles when the surface is semi colonised causes any damage, Wich i feel like it does a little bit.(Yes I do realize that mushrooms get rained on in the wild ).
I did notice that when you stack shoeboxes, the one on top is totally fucked and the one on the bottom has no condensation. I will try to put a blanket or something on the top box.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dendrocopos]
#27735875 - 04/15/22 12:01 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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A day makes a difference today I have more noticeable fruits and it is good to hear everyone seems to have the same things happening with tubs, I did not use liner this time and I do get some puddles but the sub looks healthy.
The shoeboxes are side by side with lids and the main box runs around 67' with 65% humidity so I guess I will Dendrocopos's theory "don't fuck with the mushies" for a few more days and see were it goes.
Thank you all again!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] 1
#27735984 - 04/15/22 01:17 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Question:
Has anyone put thought to the biological switch that happens to the colonizing network when going from colonizing to fruiting...
In particular, with the timing of spawning.
I am discovering that I have been spawning my bags of birdseed too soon. And I am now thinking on what is going on in that bag... and where it is in its "switching" phase.
I think my very fast colonization was tricking me... and some seeds weren't colonized internally. (I did a 60% shake and waited a day after fully white, but man are things looking different/better after a 4 day wait)
thoughts?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
#27736845 - 04/16/22 06:23 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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How many QTs are you putting to a brick of coir? 4 does not seem to be enough, too much coir and not enough full colonization.
Since it really doesn't contain nutrients, should I start adding less? Get a smaller, flatter cake of pure mycelium and just water that more?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies]
#27736995 - 04/16/22 08:27 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Huskies said: How many QTs are you putting to a brick of coir? 4 does not seem to be enough, too much coir and not enough full colonization.
Since it really doesn't contain nutrients, should I start adding less? Get a smaller, flatter cake of pure mycelium and just water that more?
4 qts of spawn to a 650gr brick is plenty; I use 4qts to 900+gr. Coir/verm is a water reservoir, mushrooms are 90+% water, don't add more spawn to less water.
Edited by Stipe-n Cap (04/16/22 08:38 AM)
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Bra
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27737239 - 04/16/22 11:29 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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hello friends, I have a question. I cook the grain, soaked the rye grain in water for 24 hours or actually more. Can I use it without problems and fear? I didn't calculate the time good a little and it turned out that I slightly overstayed the grain. Can it be used for sclerotia grow without doubts? I plan to sterilize it in a pressure cooker now. I have canary seeds soaked for about 30 hrs too, I going to sterilize it for cubes. So it's like grain soaked about 30 hours in water... Can be problem oversoaked grain or not? It has no bad smell and looks okay i think.. Thank you
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bra] 1
#27737309 - 04/16/22 12:51 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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You don't have to soak grains that you intend to boil. Just make sure to sterilize it properly.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#27737312 - 04/16/22 12:55 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Soaking more then 24 hours has definitely caused issues for me. Especially once it starts smelling like shit(literally), it's a tosser for me.
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