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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #27715460 - 03/31/22 01:42 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Some of my reading lately, share with you:

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1010097

^Fungi and sexes

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235763517_Growing_experiments_with_a_medicinal_mushroom_Agaricus_blazei_MURRILL

Article on growing agaricus blazeii murill, pretty general.

Been reading conflicting papers on its preferred pH, one listed 7 one listed 9.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #27715534 - 03/31/22 02:54 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Alrighty sounds good I'll let them dry up a lil bit then cause they are a bit wet right now from not having much fae from awhile. Hopefully they are still good I may open the lid up to let them dry a bit more and get alot more far in there. Once I get some pinning action I'll post a pic!!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] * 1
    #27715541 - 03/31/22 02:56 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

You want it to evaporate, not dry. I'll take my lids off sometimes to do that, works fine just keep an eye on it. It'll dry up quick.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27715624 - 03/31/22 03:55 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27715971 - 03/31/22 11:50 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Coolio still trying to get my surface moisture down perfect but think I'll get it down๐Ÿค™
I'm misting my smaller containers once every day to get them evaporated and my bigger tubs I increased more far cause they had almost no fae for about a week. Then I realized what I need to do! I have a small container I got going rn that seems to kinda dry up a lil to much each day maybe I need to mist it twice a day instead of once


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] * 1
    #27716097 - 04/01/22 05:52 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

You sure your sub is hydrated correctly? You really shouldn't have to mist before the first flush is over.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #27716113 - 04/01/22 06:13 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Tbh I'm only having the problem with my smaller containers and after ready the proper surface moisture page like 3 times because I'm normally stoned every day so finally just read threw it not stoned lol. I've been giving my small stuff to much fae and not enough water so they dry up fast after cause Ive kinda been depriving them of water I hope they still make it threw here's a pic of one with knots but they just aren't coming I'm as much as they should I feel but I'm a noob so๐Ÿคท๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ

The one on the left was kinda dry and I just misted that one, the one on the right hasn't been misted yet. These are some other pics from other small containers and my tubs I got going rn I think I got the fae and surface moisture down. Sad to say I already got pins in my brf cake/ziplock bags I'm got going on rn but no pins in anything I put grain too. But I also deprived my tubs on fae for almost 2 weeks and didn't give my smaller stuff the amount of misting it needs also to much fae, I'm guessing based on how they are slightly drying everyday.



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27716311 - 04/01/22 10:16 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

So I have 8 jars that are bout ready to go.

Should I do two full tubs with 4qt each?

I tried just coir for the first time one my test tubs. Who here is using just COIR vs CVG?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] * 1
    #27716321 - 04/01/22 10:26 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I just recently switched from 100% coir to CV at the standard 650g(C):2qt(v):4qt(H2O). I got good results with 100% coir but it seemed like I was able to maintain better surface conditions with the addition of verm. Coincidence? IDK. Maybe I'm just less of a noob now :lol:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27716322 - 04/01/22 10:27 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

What are the most dire consequences of over hydrating your coir?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] * 2
    #27716331 - 04/01/22 10:31 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Depends on the species. With Reishi, any slight overhydration will cause almost instant Trich outbreak. 10 out of 10 times.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 1
    #27716335 - 04/01/22 10:32 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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What are the most dire consequences of over hydrating your coir?




Bad colonization, which facilitates contamination.

Honestly, back when I was growing more, my coir would rarely colonize fully, and tub wouldnt be a full spongy mycelial cake.

I was using Eco Earth and over-estimating field capacity. Apparently that brand needs less water.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #27716341 - 04/01/22 10:34 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

eco earth is very hit and miss in quality, with a lot of miss.

Too much water will also lead to big pinsets that mature very small in cubes.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
    #27716355 - 04/01/22 10:40 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

i still have bricks of it so im just adapting to a lower water content. i can always just sprinkle verm or gypsum on top even if its not boiling anymore, right?

That being said, the gypsum I have is from reclaimed gypsum walls, so maybe it is filled with mold spores. I tend to use it only in jars nowadays.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies]
    #27716368 - 04/01/22 10:47 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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i still have bricks of it so im just adapting to a lower water content. i can always just sprinkle verm or gypsum on top even if its not boiling anymore, right?

That being said, the gypsum I have is from reclaimed gypsum walls, so maybe it is filled with mold spores. I tend to use it only in jars nowadays.





I'd never do this, Vermiculite could be full of anything too. It all needs pasteurising together in my opinion and if too wet you squeeze that excess water out every handful as penance for your failure.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] * 2
    #27716375 - 04/01/22 10:53 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

You can add verm after hydrating. No reason to pasteurize, you can hydrate with cold water if you want. If you do have some crappy coir it may have to be pasteurized though.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27716383 - 04/01/22 11:06 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Or sterilized even. In theory your just killing the trich, which dies between 130 and 170 for 30 minutes.

And considering their is no nutrients in the coir, and this comes into question with some of the shit I've dealt with (I'm telling you the lowest shit you can imagine, sticks, rocks, sand, found a sharp metal thing once I assume is used to shred the fibers, 6 inch on husk pieces, even indescribable soil like pockets), but with that said my last batch was actually super clean, like blew my mind fucking clean, comparable to shit I've bought on Amazon. So idk maybe that got enough complaints. Anyway, considering it's inert, free of nutrition, which it should be, it doesn't matter if you sterilize it as there is nothing for bacterias or competitor molds to use as a nutrient source, if your grains are colonized clean and completely.

So unless you have shit ass coir, don't even baby it and pasteurize it, if it's just agricultural grade, just heat the shit out of it.

Say your worried about worsted case scenario with your coir like me, I handle it like I handle master's mix.



Also psuedomonas and verticillium fungicola, the other two most common pests I would say, die at relative temperatures.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
    #27716520 - 04/01/22 12:47 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Kind of on topic. What ratios does everyone use for coir / water ? I do 1;3,5 and add verm afterwards. Pure boiling water dumped into a bucked and i have one pretty good life hack..

You can buy polystyrene boxes that are used to transport fish. They are surprisingly good at keeping temp. If you dumb boiling water into it, it will still be really fucking hot after several hours.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dendrocopos]
    #27716565 - 04/01/22 01:27 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

For the stuff I use I just multiply my dry weight of coir by 5 and itโ€™s always pretty bang on. I use an insulated ice box as my โ€˜bucket.โ€™


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 2
    #27716776 - 04/01/22 04:28 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

so "what I learned from tis page"

1.) that a scientific paper is somewhat hard to read but simply said his point is that, "if you isolate a good strain, keep it alive" as going back to spores it will always produce a random result making it necessary to re isolate as nature has built in a mechanism to keep sameness from happening, basically similar to people, boys + girl = diversity of outcome. This diversity will happen any time 2 compatible spores are used as spore compatibility precludes 2 identical spores reproducing.


2.) there is no consensus on substrate materials or preparation other than, buy quality ingredients or master mix and test for proper field capacity no matter what or how you use it.

3.)  Trichoderma may be present in the area that sold your ingredients so it should be addressed. This assumes the trich you mentioned is a mold not "crotchrott" that I think may be similar....

Keep in mind I just did all this to say "crotchrott" on the web so this will pop up anytime it is searched for...:tongue2:


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