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Greg
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smoothcat]
#23642675 - 09/13/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was just given a wild pan cyan print from the US Virgin Islands. Do you guys think it's worth the effort of stabilizing its genetics over several generations?
I mean there are already quite a few pan cyan varieties out there. I guess new genetics are always desirable.
Just trying to decide what to grow next.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Greg]
#23642691 - 09/13/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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not a whole lot of variation in pans to start but why not
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#23642887 - 09/13/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bad genetics, not enough G/e, or contamination?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies]
#23642897 - 09/13/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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bacteria
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Huskies
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
#23643011 - 09/13/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's what I feared. Is it fine to try to still do a tub and see what happens?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies]
#23643221 - 09/13/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you want a hard ass shroomery coach answer, toss that and start over. It's going to yield sub par results that some would consider not even worth it. Really don't want that it's like putting a timed bomb inside a china shop. Try and figure out where your vectors are for contamination. Like make sure your PCing procedures are correct and you are following an updated grain prep tek.
If you want an honest answer, It still has a chance. If you want to make a 1:2 ratio in say, a dub tub, so it's isolated then you can. Gotta have another space to fruit it though in a separate spot unless you wanna risk it. Ive done it as many others have when you don't have enough lined up to toss it
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#23643239 - 09/13/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm having trouble seeing bacteria. Doesn't look "puffy"
Actually looks "clean" thin myc to me, but I don't guess I know what I'm looking for.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
#23643278 - 09/13/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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See the strands and the uncolonized grain up against the glass it's kinda greasy looking and some of the grain looks like it has been mushed ... and I'm sure you're going to spawn it anyway but Sloppy is right it will affect the yield of it doesn't trich out first I had 15 jars that were bacterial I spawned them but I just used my free hpoo instead of coir but they are coming in shitty
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wtfcrazymofo
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
#23643804 - 09/14/16 04:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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bacteria is a sneaky mofo. Sometimes it reveals itself and grows all over the plate. Sometimes it is like a train hopper hitching a ride on the mycelium. The way you can kinda tell is if the fungus looks retarted. Organized growth (rizo) cleanness and speed of growth is what you want your spawn jars to consist of even if it is 1 plate out of 10.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies]
#23643809 - 09/14/16 04:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Huskies said: That's what I feared. Is it fine to try to still do a tub and see what happens?
It is not fine. bust it up, open it, and take a wiff outside. Make a compost bed for fun whyle your out there.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
#23644343 - 09/14/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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it looks fine to me, a little bacteria but nothing thats gonna cause a major problem..id spawn it to coir to be safe because it is highly contam resistant..smell it before you shake it! i have noticed even with contams if you shake the jar first it will usually smell good when you open it, if you dont shake, then you get the true smell of what is going on
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Oregonic]
#23645001 - 09/14/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So just in case someone else comes across my posts and "problem" I was having, I just wanted to follow up with a reply I received from FG customer service when I dropped them a line asking if this is just what I should expect when using their premixed MEA and ABMEA:
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FG customer rep dude said: Hello <oregonic>, Thank you for reaching out about our agars! What you are describing is normal for our agar. In my experience, our agar is opaque and has flecks in it. If you made a more diluted mix, it might appear transparent but then it would also have low sugar content, potentially slowing growth. As long as the agar is gelling up fine and you have good mycelial growth, it should be just fine even if its dark and cloudy.
Let me know if you have any questions or if you are not having good growth!
So that sums that up. Expect the premixed MEA and ABMEA from FG to be opaque with little dark specks floating throughout, and don't buy it if you're expecting a nice, clear/transparent MEA. That being said, the growth I've seen when using it has been very strong and vigorous, so there's that.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies]
#23645051 - 09/14/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Huskies said: Bad genetics, not enough G/e, or contamination?


what kind of lid you running on those?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
#23645711 - 09/14/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It was my first attempt with plastic lids, according to Muda just twisting it a quarter inch from tightness is enough for gas exchange.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies]
#23645963 - 09/14/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm making grain and was thinking about if the grain ferments if left sit too long before pc why doesn't it after pc'ing? Just because you're killing all the yeast and bacteria or what?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#23645994 - 09/14/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, living organisms are responsible for the process of rotting/fermenting, so, without those being active, there should be no chemical conversions going on really.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#23646017 - 09/14/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well why if the grains are too wet they are more susceptible to contams? Is it just when the myc starts colonizing it's like a chemical reaction per say?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47] 1
#23646021 - 09/14/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because bacteria loves nutrient laden water and endospores are a ticking time bomb.
test
Edited by Inocuole (09/15/16 01:14 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#23646028 - 09/14/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh ya cause we can't really kill off everything haha I'm a bit in the clouds haha my brain is like a half wound clock
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#23646152 - 09/14/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, psylocibe Cyans cannot grow inside correct? I don't have pans. I have psylocibe...
Also my spelling may be wrong. Sorry.
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