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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27681878 - 03/04/22 01:47 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Bright white then green is trich, you can also get aspergillus and penicillium which come in dinngy gray then go green or can form in wet spots IME.

That last looks like the start of on of the latter two to be honest.
Both have the same root cause bad spawn and moisture.

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Is there consensus in the community regarding unmodified lids for qt jars and their efficacy? I know some growers have used them more or less successfully in the past including myself and some growers maybe still use them. I stopped using plastic unmodified lids after just a few runs because it never made sense to me how the exchanging gasses are supposed to be filtered without a filter :shrug:


Maybe I'm missing something here so if someone has a theory on how unmodified lids actually are able to work properly I'm curious to hear your best arguments both for and against unmodified lids. :takingnotes:





The working theory is that the threads create enough convolution that they keep contaminates from being able to pass. This is demonstrated by and old experiment called the swan necked flask I believe.

Many also believe that the mycellium needs much less air than thought and kept there lids most of the way tightened down.

I wouldn't test me luck and point a fan at them but they seem to work pretty well


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Drboomer]
    #27681957 - 03/04/22 04:37 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Is there consensus in the community regarding unmodified lids for qt jars and their efficacy? I know some growers have used them more or less successfully in the past including myself and some growers maybe still use them. I stopped using plastic unmodified lids after just a few runs because it never made sense to me how the exchanging gasses are supposed to be filtered without a filter :shrug:


Maybe I'm missing something here so if someone has a theory on how unmodified lids actually are able to work properly I'm curious to hear your best arguments both for and against unmodified lids. :takingnotes:




Yeah in theory they work similarly to swan neck jars.  But that's a theory and in practice it may not work.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: schpat]
    #27681962 - 03/04/22 04:44 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I was gunna mention about Pasteurs swan neck beakers as I think it’s the exact same principal


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SwabMarley]
    #27682029 - 03/04/22 06:02 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Not necessarily as the swan neck doesn't contain anything alive, nothing metabolizing and therefore no gas exchange air movement current.

However the swan neck is similar in that as air contracts and expands as it cools and heats there is movement, like the jar, but also as the jar produces and relieves gas, it will pull air back in.

Unless maybe the gas being produced more or less is creating a constant "exaust" in the jar, allotlwing no contaminates to enter. But even then that would have to battle with temps swings to some extent you would think..


While your around mateja, I was thinking about the LC mycelium size. I do wonder if as the container size increases, mycelium sizes seem less large because of not only the mycelium coagulating and settling into a ball, but maybe nutrients have a tendency to settle as well and this could have a variablization in LC growth. Completely off topic but I've been thinking about it ah


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
    #27682036 - 03/04/22 06:08 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

That’s makes sense to me. I think it’s just with the threads on the jar/lid that creates the kind of swan neck and the fact that things can’t just kind of fall into the jar if you were to just straight drill an unfiltered hole in your jars.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SwabMarley]
    #27682042 - 03/04/22 06:10 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Ya... I like filtered holes. Makes more since I'm the big picture to me. Takes away the wonder. Plenty of people skin their cats and bake their cakes. in different ways


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
    #27682062 - 03/04/22 06:32 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

"The swan neck significantly slows down the motion of air through the tube,
and particles in the air, such as bacteria,
become trapped on moisture on its inner surfaces.
As a result, sterile liquid in the vessel itself remains sterile as long as the
liquid does not contact the contaminated liquid in the tube."

I'd rather filter the cap thanks just the same...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
    #27682063 - 03/04/22 06:34 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Link?

If there's moisture throughout the tube what keeps bacteria from breeding it's way down?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: schpat]
    #27682066 - 03/04/22 06:36 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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swan neck jars.  But that's a theory and in practice it may not work.




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
    #27682068 - 03/04/22 06:39 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Ya idk about that bit, especially from wiki citing a 150 year old article. Gooseneck flask were definetly a thing, that one bit may be wrong.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33] * 3
    #27682085 - 03/04/22 06:52 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The unmodded lids I use work so until they don’t, I’ll be using them :headbanger:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SwabMarley]
    #27682117 - 03/04/22 07:26 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Yeah honestly it took a while for me to get over the idea that my jars seemed so unprotected, but can't argue with the results, and that's all I really care about in the long run.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SwabMarley]
    #27682134 - 03/04/22 07:44 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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The unmodded lids I use work so until they don’t, I’ll be using them :headbanger:



They "work". After about 3-4 years of running them I switched to SDFs and honestly less stalls and failure. I think mine got warped from so many runs and seems to dry/stall quickly.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rockyfungus]
    #27682206 - 03/04/22 09:02 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Myc Hunt said:
The unmodded lids I use work so until they don’t, I’ll be using them :headbanger:



They "work". After about 3-4 years of running them I switched to SDFs and honestly less stalls and failure. I think mine got warped from so many runs and seems to dry/stall quickly.



Yeah I imagine there’s definitely a shelf life on them. Saying that though I think I picked up like 16 for the equivalent of about $10 so when they do go shitty I’ll probably just get some more. I still have plenty of SFD’s lying around and some RTV though that can be used in a pinch.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SwabMarley]
    #27682495 - 03/04/22 12:56 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

UPDATE....IT"S ALIVE
I now can see changes in agar and looks like the clumps in liquid test are growing white mycelium, hope it is shroom babys not poo

This waiting is hard....beer and corn mash can be done in 2 weeks this is looking like a month or more....less coffee more weed I guess.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shinear]
    #27682721 - 03/04/22 03:47 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

What kind of beer are you going grain to glass in two weeks?? My absolute fastest recipe was a simple cream ale that if I burst carbonated the keg I could be drinking in 9 days but it was only ~4% ABV. Nothing fancy by any means but always a  crowd pleaser and good 'patio pounder' in the summer months. Everything else except NEIPAs would ferment for minimum 3 weeks.

Blah blah blah, beers dumb lol.


I've got a TAT tub with a pretty dense pin set but they're all looking like they're going to be 3-4" shorties for the first flush :rolleyes: Is this genetic? Not enough FAE? They're in an unmodified 16 quart minimono. Should I fertilize them? (totally joking)

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27682761 - 03/04/22 04:17 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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What kind of beer are you going grain to glass in two weeks??




https://www.google.com/amp/s/learntomoonshine.com/common-moonshine-terms/amp

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Beer – The liquid part of fermented mash.  Beer, also called “teedum,” was often made for its own sake rather than for distilling.



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ModularMind]
    #27682772 - 03/04/22 04:22 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

:facepalm: d'oh! Thanks for the education!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl] * 1
    #27682778 - 03/04/22 04:23 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The cream ale is probably more palatable. 🍺


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ModularMind]
    #27682784 - 03/04/22 04:26 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

It's like a more flavorful Coors or Miller that doesn't make you bloated. I'd usually brew a 15 gallon batch for block parties because it was fast, cheap and even the most 'anti craft beer' people would enjoy it.

A local brewery has one on tap that they call 'college water' :lol:


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