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Forrester
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster] 1
#27672882 - 02/25/22 10:22 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Humans have been boiling river water to make it potable for a thousand years.
It works
There's a huge difference between potability and sterility so this isn't really the greatest analogy if you're trying to make the argument that it works for mycology.
I don't doubt that it does, most of the time, if it has worked for Faht, I'm just saying...
You can't just boil water and call it sterile.
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fahtster said: but I don’t want “it’ll probably work”. I just didn’t look into it enough until y’all pointed out it can’t be classified as sterile. I want sterile. Fack.. if it isn’t one thing it’s another, I’m tellin ya.
I always thought if the syringe said bd it wasn’t going to get mangled in the pc.. not true folks.. at least not filled. I’m going to try foiled and empty.. maybe at least I can sterilize them and fill from a jar of pc’d water
^^^ since I know you don't like to run with "it'll probably work", this is what I was going to suggest, filling from a jar of pc'd water. Seems easy enough.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Forrester]
#27672887 - 02/25/22 10:25 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Another thing I think should be considered with steamed mediums is maybe inhibition of competitors that weren't killed. Not only by the treatment but potentially by mycelium overtaking the substartes and restricting access to nutes and water to competitors. And maybe bioburden recovery and redistribution if you didn't use the media right away, and then mixed it up. Something to consider for people steaming grains especially, and sawdust.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
#27672899 - 02/25/22 10:32 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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fahtster said: Yeah.. it’s not the rubber, it’s the plastic plunger and needle “knob” get all bent to shit when there’s any kind of force put on them (like a full syringe leaning at an angle).. there’s different numbers on the plunger for the ones that work that are from SW. I’m at work but I’ll post a pic later tonight
Ahh this is a simple problem. PP is a thermoplastic and gets pliable when hot. If the syringe has some force on it by being in a jar sideways, especially full of water, it will be putting a lot of torque on that joint and the plastic bends because it is soft.
You wouldn't have that problem if you pc the syringes in a spawn bag. Or foil pouch. Something that the syringe could lay on it's side. Probably want to PC the water in a media bottle and suck it up. Not sure if water filled would go sideways without spilling out.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420] 1
#27672903 - 02/25/22 10:34 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I do mine for Josex poke method wrapped in foil and laying on it's side on top of grain jars. Some water definitely gets lost... but it still works alright for me.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Forrester]
#27672994 - 02/25/22 11:42 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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If you guys have the little plastic plugs that screw in where the needle goes it makes things way easier.
I started using those and doing the needles/caps in a half pint jar. That way everything is way smaller and fits no problem, nothing gets bent, and no water can get out of the syringe.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Forrester] 1
#27672999 - 02/25/22 11:45 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah it’s an easy fix and you know me I’ll figure it out.. I’m just annoyed at myself and a lil embarrassed at my assumptions. Thanks for bearing with me
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
#27673267 - 02/25/22 04:01 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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@forrester-Steam sterilization works just fine and steam is the same temp as boiling water so i disagree with the assertion that boiling water doesnt sterilize.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27673306 - 02/25/22 04:44 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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All you have to do is read a little bit on endospores and thermolific bacterias and you would know that's is simply not true. Read the links. If you even understood how low acid canning worked you would know that's not true.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
#27673333 - 02/25/22 05:02 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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For steaming to be effective you need to run it for like 8 hours. Which is energy-intensive to say the least.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow] 2
#27673335 - 02/25/22 05:04 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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QM33 said: All you have to do is read a little bit on endospores and thermolific bacterias and you would know that's is simply not true. Read the links. If you even understood how low acid canning worked you would know that's not true.

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natedawgnow said: @forrester-Steam sterilization works just fine and steam is the same temp as boiling water so i disagree with the assertion that boiling water doesnt sterilize.
Disagree all you want, but do some research, check those links and find out why you're wrong then you can agree 
Also, steam is NOT always the same temp as boiling water, that's why we use pressure cookers.
Also why Faht wrote up a whole thing on how to steam sterilize SHIPs using a line coming from a pressure cooker, where the steam is much hotter than boiling water so it actually DOES sterilize the ports before injecting into them.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Forrester]
#27673376 - 02/25/22 05:28 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I've been reusing the same few syringes for about 5 years now. I wrap in foil. Lay on top of jars or bags. PC for 3 hours and don't think about it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Adas] 1
#27673923 - 02/26/22 07:33 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Adas said: For steaming to be effective you need to run it for like 8 hours. Which is energy-intensive to say the least.
I run my steamer for 20hrs which is about 12hrs at 97c. Sounds expensive but with insulation and a pid it only costs about a dollar in electricity. 200lbs of sterilized bulk sub for $1 is a pretty good deal.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: deadmandave]
#27674013 - 02/26/22 09:42 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Don’t forget the 240 watt element
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
#27674035 - 02/26/22 10:05 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I use a 1500w element.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: deadmandave]
#27674039 - 02/26/22 10:13 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Oops I meant 240 volt outlet. You can run a higher watt element on those and cut down on the time your element runs. But only if you’re using a pid or something to monitor temp
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
#27674043 - 02/26/22 10:19 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Ah I see you are a man of culture yeetus. PID Papis unite.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
#27674067 - 02/26/22 10:42 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
#27674228 - 02/26/22 12:51 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah from what I hear from those running the larger elements it can cut the warm up time from 6-8hrs down to 2-3. For me I like the convenience of 120 and don't care too much about extra 4-5 hrs cook time when the price is already low. Also it doesn't significantly reduce the cycle time considering the cool down takes 3-4 days.
Even on 120 the pid only works the element on average 50% of the time.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: deadmandave]
#27674251 - 02/26/22 01:03 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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My first baby shrooms have started growing and it's incredibly gratifying just to see and to know that it's not fked or anything.
Next in line, start using liners since my first baby shrooms are side pins
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
#27675127 - 02/27/22 07:09 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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QM33 said: All you have to do is read a little bit on endospores and thermolific bacterias and you would know that's is simply not true. Read the links. If you even understood how low acid canning worked you would know that's not true.
Dude we're talking about sterilizing already potable water. Please enlighten me as to which thermophiles exist i inside of your towns water supply
You guys are acting like water is equivalent to grain spawn when it isnt.
I dont need to "do more research" to know that boiling water is good enough to sterilize the inside of a syringe.
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