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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr.Wizard]
#27656075 - 02/12/22 07:30 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Casing hasn't been streamlined in 10 years? Casing isn't new. Casing provides a perfect microclimate to trigger pinning on the surface. PE seems to be a thirsty and without the ability to uptake enough water blobs or aborts.
If casing means no blobs and it's reproducible by anyone trying. Seems like we may have it figured out. That's repeatable data or science. Myc growing in all directions? That's what it does to search for best place to absorb nutrients and genetic info. Maybe pass along some too.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rockyfungus]
#27656102 - 02/12/22 08:08 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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It's basically the same tek it's always been, and it it seems brought up mostly with PE (in my searches about PE, casing, and pasteurizing).
You agree that blobbing is an environmental factor, not genetic. I've gotten some blobs before on not PE. I think it's odd that just this one cube has such a consistent problem with people.
We are def not recreating a replica of the wild for them. They are rewarded more for sending myc around, and up, instead of around and down. These days we reward the growing all directions with water, nutes, and light all the time - until we spawn (even still a bit if not using a liner). I've wondered if some of the older techniques like keeping jars in the dark until spawn might have worked better for PE.
My thinking is maybe we can get it to start sending out the rhyzomorphic myc upwards, right after spawning instead of after colonizing the sub, and being cased - and that selecting myc that fights gravity on a plate might help get genetics for that.
I'm also thinking of letting jars colonize upwards from the bottom, maybe no shaking since PE likes to take its time anyway. Then spawn those layered, with a deeper top layer. Then when the myc finally hits the surface and gets FAE it's ready to grow the fruits up, instead of around.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Zane]
#27656129 - 02/12/22 08:36 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Zane said: Hi everyone first time growing / posting, glad to be here! Here's some pics of my two grain spawn bags, pc/golden teacher

I wish I'd found this forum sooner, before the north spore monotub youtube video that describes using syringe to grain spawn. After reading around here it's clear that isn't the preferred method. hopefully it works out ok! I think I've gotten lucky as I haven't noticed any contamination and it smells pretty neutral.
Can anyone tell me what is the growth pattern in the bottom right of 2nd picture & in the last picture? I don't think it's contamination but I don't know much... Thank you
Those look workable. I think the grain is a little over hydrated though which can cause problems when you’re using spores.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phrontist]
#27656260 - 02/12/22 11:10 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Phrontist said:

Had 1 full canopy harvest, gave the sub a bit of a misting, now a few days later it’s covered in... not sure what that is, but it’s already in the compost.
trich sporulating get it the fuck away from everything
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27656709 - 02/12/22 06:39 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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A.k.a said:
Those look workable. I think the grain is a little over hydrated though which can cause problems when you’re using spores.
Thanks I appreciate the reply Grain looked really dry at the start but has since seemed to get condensation, and the bag has inflated more.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Zane]
#27657051 - 02/13/22 04:58 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Bit of a random one:
I've got some dried ground down mushrooms in capsules. Me and a couple friends dosed with them a few weeks ago and felt them nicely. We then both took same batch and dose each a few weeks later and both said we didn't feel anything. Do they loose potency being in capsules or something - don't see how this could happen from the same batch and time.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: King87]
#27657055 - 02/13/22 05:19 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I'm FAR from an expert, but I've gotta knack for understanding any type of cultivation whether botany or mycology. But it seems that ground accelerates oxidation. I may be 100% off base here so take it with a grain of salt. But that's what my intuition is telling me anyway.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MTZ]
#27657188 - 02/13/22 08:12 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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MTZ said: I'm FAR from an expert, but I've gotta knack for understanding any type of cultivation whether botany or mycology. But it seems that ground accelerates oxidation. I may be 100% off base here so take it with a grain of salt. But that's what my intuition is telling me anyway.
You are correct, it absolutely does. Some people have luck with capsules staying potent longer, but any time you powder a dried mushroom you are exposing the actives to damage by oxidation a lot faster. Best to grind only what you need at the time.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Forrester] 2
#27657232 - 02/13/22 08:55 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Pulverization increases the surface area of the mass.
In a dry setting, capping up powder and sealing the vessel in a professional manner should keep well for an extended period, although everything gets a stamped exp date for one reason or another.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27657289 - 02/13/22 10:01 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I was going to say if I wanted to make micro-dose capsules for somebody How would I have to go about doing it? make them in my dehydrator?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa] 1
#27657292 - 02/13/22 10:04 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I'm still using caps I've had in a jar for over 8 months now. They still seem good to me. I think if you just treat them as you would normal dried fruits, you're all good.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#27657321 - 02/13/22 10:30 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I put them in dehydrator, then coffee grinder, straight into caps and then kept in a glass jar with a packet of desiccant.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: E_Dubbya]
#27657323 - 02/13/22 10:31 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Dessicants, multiple vaccuume seals and a freezer to prolong the life of pretty much everything?! Dessicants would be on the second bag if you not trying to pull out moisture, like with weed.? Temperature, light and oxygen will degrade pretty much everything
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rockyfungus]
#27657336 - 02/13/22 10:41 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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rockyfungus said: Casing hasn't been streamlined in 10 years? Casing isn't new. Casing provides a perfect microclimate to trigger pinning on the surface. PE seems to be a thirsty and without the ability to uptake enough water blobs or aborts.
If casing means no blobs and it's reproducible by anyone trying. Seems like we may have it figured out. That's repeatable data or science. Myc growing in all directions? That's what it does to search for best place to absorb nutrients and genetic info. Maybe pass along some too.
I don't case, I run invitro bottle sub in bags (see last line in my signature (or here for future readers, in case I change my sig) for an example of a successful grow). It's Melmak x Avery's Albino F2 MS, so some shroom are albino (and blobbish), some non albino (and Melmakish). Plain Melmak doesn't seem to blob. Avery's Albino, I've never seen a blob. Maybe blobs can be caused by some weird outcrossing effect?
SWPE blobs, PF Albino didn't blob (?), APE doesn't blob. Now it gets strange, what exactly causes blobbing?...
The thing I've noticed with that Mak x Avery's cross is, it tends to blob more with increased nutrients (grains:coir ratio), which is well known for (SW)PE, so it might be not the blobs = degeneration of (SW)PE thing...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: King87]
#27657347 - 02/13/22 10:52 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I had three jars of colonized grains ready to spawn and no coir to spawn it to. I went to three different pet stores and they were all sold out of coco fiber, so I ended up getting Exo Terra "coco husk," which is the same stuff it's just a chunkier texture. I pasteurized it and set up my shoeboxes, and honestly I'm pretty unhappy with it, but it'll do for this round. It definitely doesn't hold as much water as the coco fiber, I did my best to really compress it and I think I'll still get a decent canopy. Fingers crossed.
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King87 said: I put them in dehydrator, then coffee grinder, straight into caps and then kept in a glass jar with a packet of desiccant.
I want to start doing this, but I'm curious what everyone's process is for loading capsules. Do you weigh out the specific amount for each capsule and scoop it in one by one, or do you use one of those capsule loading trays and just fill them to the top?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: joze] 1
#27657382 - 02/13/22 11:18 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I use 'The Capsule Machine' made for 00 caps. I can get .5 g per cap. It does 24 at a time, so I just do the math on how much dry shrooms to use and I add 2 grams for 'loss'. You'll always end up with some loss stuck to the grinder, stuck to the capsule machine parts, etc. Any of that leftover powder I just light rinse into a pot and lemon Tek it right away.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#27657444 - 02/13/22 12:10 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Dry very very well
Powder in coffee grinder until super fine
Get a capsule machine 0 for .3 00 for .5 depending on how you pack it.
The capsule machine is pretty straight forward I like buying the pre split capsules to make it easier. Make sure to pack the hell out of it.
I store mine vac sealed or in old vitamin bottles resealed.
All my personal stash gets powdered and vac sealed. For micros or macros they well these little parachutes at the weight lifting supplement store for preworkout mix. It holds like 2 grams
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Drboomer]
#27657482 - 02/13/22 12:38 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I have the All-In capsule machine and really like it. And I got these capsules.
"0" size caps
It makes 100, I just weigh out the powder and stuff'em.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#27657517 - 02/13/22 01:00 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I bought a capsule filler and some 00 capsules just to find out I can't choke down a 00 capsule...what a waste lol. I guess I'll stick to chocolates and gummies
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I don't have the patience for capsule fillers. I think it's better for everyone to make edibles. Just microdose them. If they're mixed appropriately, to maybe say a professional standard say, you won't have noticeable concistency problems (no more than your average fruits vary in potency). And it will taste way better!
** Also unless your using a flour mill and packing the caps individually they're going to be inconsistent also.
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