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Salty Dog
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27615638 - 01/11/22 09:51 PM (2 years, 18 days ago) |
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Let it ride?
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Eugene Gesuale
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Salty Dog]
#27615644 - 01/11/22 09:58 PM (2 years, 18 days ago) |
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What do you guys think would happen if you took a grain jar full of sclerotia and submerged the whole thing in everclear, grains and all, and just let it sit for a month. Would it pull all the actives?
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SpaceBaby
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Salty Dog]
#27615646 - 01/11/22 10:01 PM (2 years, 18 days ago) |
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For science
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Eugene Gesuale
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SpaceBaby]
#27615653 - 01/11/22 10:04 PM (2 years, 18 days ago) |
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That would be the easiest and laziest tek imaginable
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bongoman
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This box needs more FAE, yeah?
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Adrenognome said: What do you guys think would happen if you took a grain jar full of sclerotia and submerged the whole thing in everclear, grains and all, and just let it sit for a month. Would it pull all the actives?
I think you'd have to put the contents in a blender first to extract everything out of the sclerotia and prevent them and the grains from rotting, and then you'd end up with a mess of stuff at the end that was nearly impossible to filter out the solids. It would work, but it would be a mess to deal with and I think you'd have a fairly weak concentration of actives with the amount of alcohol you'd need to use.
But I'm just speculating
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Forrester]
#27615775 - 01/12/22 03:49 AM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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Forrester said:
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Adrenognome said: What do you guys think would happen if you took a grain jar full of sclerotia and submerged the whole thing in everclear, grains and all, and just let it sit for a month. Would it pull all the actives?
I think you'd have to put the contents in a blender first to extract everything out of the sclerotia and prevent them and the grains from rotting, and then you'd end up with a mess of stuff at the end that was nearly impossible to filter out the solids. It would work, but it would be a mess to deal with and I think you'd have a fairly weak concentration of actives with the amount of alcohol you'd need to use.
But I'm just speculating 
Yeah I didn’t think about that. Do people need to dehydrate sclerotia? For storage
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normalperson
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Adrenognome said: What do you guys think would happen if you took a grain jar full of sclerotia and submerged the whole thing in everclear, grains and all, and just let it sit for a month. Would it pull all the actives?
Have you ever tried to drink Everclear?🥵 Plus... Actives are not soluble in alcohol. Might do better dumping it in a pot of boiling water 😂
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: normalperson]
#27615781 - 01/12/22 04:02 AM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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Hey guys! 2 days ago i started my first sgfc, everything going well just want to know what time it takes to see first pins? And also when It’ll be ready for first flush?
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coversall
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 0120] 7
#27615785 - 01/12/22 04:10 AM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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0120 said: Hey guys! 2 days ago i started my first sgfc, everything going well just want to know what time it takes to see first pins? And also when It’ll be ready for first flush?
Take your average day time temp, divide it by your average night time temp, multiply it by the average ambient RH, which in turn is divided by the RH in the tub, then add the number of cakes squared, minus the size of the tub. Once you've calculated that wait two extra days, and then wait till the mushrooms have grown.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: coversall] 1
#27615787 - 01/12/22 04:15 AM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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and then wait till the mushrooms have grown.
Oh man, yer in rare form! ha ha, I see were both up early.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
#27615792 - 01/12/22 04:28 AM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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broo.. thx for response and detailed info, i just wanna know roughly when i should expect first signs and usually what time it takes to finish. Rh is about 85-90.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 0120]
#27615835 - 01/12/22 06:07 AM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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To many factors to know buddy honestly. Mushrooms have there own schedule that had zero regard for yours.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: normalperson]
#27615837 - 01/12/22 06:10 AM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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Adrenognome said: What do you guys think would happen if you took a grain jar full of sclerotia and submerged the whole thing in everclear, grains and all, and just let it sit for a month. Would it pull all the actives?
Have you ever tried to drink Everclear?🥵 Plus... Actives are not soluble in alcohol. Might do better dumping it in a pot of boiling water 😂
Not a bad idea. But I’m pretty sure they’re water and alcohol soluble
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Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, new to both the forums and growing
I have two jars of popcorn spawn that are nearly ready to go to substrate. They're both a different variety of cubensis (from two different batches of dried mushrooms I bought - one is some albino, the other one isn't), but it's only a relatively small jar each: 0.5l that's 75-80% filled.
I understand I should use maybe a 1:4 grain to substrate ratio, and I've browsed the forums, but I'm a bit confused about what size tubs I need for the amount of popcorn I currently have.
I bought 2x 13L (+-20cm height) plastic boxes the other day, would that work? Or what size would be better if not? I think I will have +-2L substrate and popcorn combined (0.4L popcorn + 4 * 0.4L coco coir) 13L might be fine, but feeling a bit lost in the process 😅
Also a bit confused if I should pasturize or sterilize my substrate? I've read conflicting info, and now earlier (can't remember the link) I read neither is necessary when working with coco coir, so now I'm even more confused. 😬
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1:4 is over kill, do 1:1 or 1:2. As for container don't overthink it, you can use anything. Just try to use something that gets you the proper depth of the bulk mix.
As for the substrate, you can pasteurize it, sterilize it, or just use it as is. I have done all 3 methods and see no difference at all. YRMV. Pasteurizing is the tried and true way, but it's just so much easier to add water and go in my opinion. Sterilization may kill 'good' microbes, so it's usually not recommended. But as I said, I haven't seen a difference. I've had equal success and failures with all.
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This is not a bad place to ask.
1:4 is fine if your spawn is ok.
A shoebox tub 6 ish qts, is a good place to start if you are going to bulk, you can also try Faht bags if that seems more appealing both will work. Faht uses coir and verm but you can run just coir also just fine. If coir is your substrate of choice no pasteurization is necessary. Bod has a very simple Bucket tek for preparing coir
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: E_Dubbya]
#27615892 - 01/12/22 07:41 AM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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E_Dubbya said: 1:4 is over kill, do 1:1 or 1:2. As for container don't overthink it, you can use anything. Just try to use something that gets you the proper depth of the bulk mix.
So you're saying I should use less substrate? Then I'll go for smaller boxes I think since otherwise my 13L box will only be filled for 1 or 2cms in height which I guess is not enough.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: milkboy] 3
#27615901 - 01/12/22 07:53 AM (2 years, 17 days ago) |
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Anybody know where Workman went? It doesn't seem he's posted in quite some time. Hoping he's just busy with myco-science and staying busy.
Hope everyone is well in '22!
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It's a balancing act. If you go to thin, you will still get mushrooms, but it is much harder to regulate conditions (thin subs dry out very easy). As stated above, you can do 1:4, but it will take longer for the mycelium to do it's thing, which may allow bacteria or other things to take hold.
You can grow mushrooms straight out of the jar with no substrate if you really wanted to. There's folks on here that have grown spheres, the possibilities are only limited by your imagination.
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E_Dubbya said: 1:4 is over kill, do 1:1 or 1:2. As for container don't overthink it, you can use anything. Just try to use something that gets you the proper depth of the bulk mix.
So you're saying I should use less substrate? Then I'll go for smaller boxes I think since otherwise my 13L box will only be filled for 1 or 2cms in height which I guess is not enough.
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