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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yeatster]
    #27577635 - 12/11/21 04:17 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yeatster]
    #27577685 - 12/11/21 04:58 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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I've read a bunch here but I cannot find anything pertaining to environmental conditions in regards to mine. In the winter I will regularly sit in the 20's and sometimes teens, in regards to RH.

I think it's obvious environmental conditions play a big role. Are there any NE growers who have extremely low RH in winter months that are willing to spread some info love?



Unmodified tubs don't dry out easily. I would just run a well hydrated sub in a lined mono with the lid clasped. A small essential oil diffuser might be nice too.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #27577752 - 12/11/21 05:49 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeatster said:
I've read a bunch here but I cannot find anything pertaining to environmental conditions in regards to mine. In the winter I will regularly sit in the 20's and sometimes teens, in regards to RH.

I think it's obvious environmental conditions play a big role. Are there any NE growers who have extremely low RH in winter months that are willing to spread some info love?



Unmodified tubs don't dry out easily. I would just run a well hydrated sub in a lined mono with the lid clasped. A small essential oil diffuser might be nice too.



Thanks! Do you think a smaller ratio of grain to sub would be something to consider for low rH? I would think the optimal ratio could differ considerably with one's environmental factors, no?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yeatster] * 3
    #27577877 - 12/11/21 07:41 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Not particularly. You're growing an organism. It's needs like you are food water and shelter once it is free of competition for food, axenic then your spawn needs water to produce mushrooms. Field capacity coir and verm holds ample water for the spawn. Tubs are large enough to privide a nice microenvironment suitable for the organism which readily adapts to it's environment.

Axenic spawn is primary, field capacity substrate is next, then a simple tub with a liner. Dial in hydration. I'm using ~4.25L hot tap water, 800g coir, 1 or 2 qt verm in bucket tek. My bags have been 2-2.5kg of wheat, currently sterilizing 32 bags @2.5kg ea.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #27577895 - 12/11/21 07:53 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Not particularly. You're growing an organism. It's needs like you are food water and shelter once it is free of competition for food, axenic then your spawn needs water to produce mushrooms. Field capacity coir and verm holds ample water for the spawn. Tubs are large enough to privide a nice microenvironment suitable for the organism which readily adapts to it's environment.

Axenic spawn is primary, field capacity substrate is next, then a simple tub with a liner. Dial in hydration. I'm using ~4.25L hot tap water, 800g coir, 1 or 2 qt verm in bucket tek. My bags have been 2-2.5kg of wheat, currently sterilizing 32 bags @2.5kg ea.




This is a great response. Though I can't seem to understand the environmental conditions being not a factor. I've grown just a few shoebox tubs in the winter with a rH in the teens. They were super dry with the tops on. Could this/would this be a factor? I've read it won't be. Is this from experience or guess?

I'm by no means questioning your authority I'm just thinking my excessive low rH could be a factor.

Could I or should I dial in the hydration of my sub to optimize my condition?
Or, should I implement a humidifier?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yeatster] * 1
    #27578490 - 12/12/21 10:14 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

A shoebox is not a 66qt latch tote. Some people put shoeboxes inside larger totes for better moisture control.

Employ the scientific method and runb some experiments. Maybe no humidifier and slightly varied quantities of water for multiple subs simultaneously with the same culture. Run em as so then try the same preps with the humidifier. Oberve and take notes.

These tubs will rain on themselves if shaken, I think youll be fine, but at this point you're gonna have to run some tests given your own parameters.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat] * 1
    #27578503 - 12/12/21 10:27 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I have 8-20% rh year round.


Shoeboxes with the lids latched worked fine unless there was a fan or something on.


Shoeboxes inside of a mono is the best method I’ve found, it’s a huge difference. I torched a syringe and poked holes similar to pasty’s easy dial tub pattern.


I start two or three shoeboxes and leave the lids on until they’re mostly colonized, then take them off. Other than that it’s completely hands off.


A good top layer of coir at spawn helps a ton too, and I slightly over hydrate my coir sometimes if it’s super dry out.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #27578513 - 12/12/21 10:34 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Good point, I take for granted, top layer.:thumbup:

No way I would live with 8-20%RH these days, gotta keep my membranes moist.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #27578534 - 12/12/21 10:55 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Awesome. Thanks peeps


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yeatster]
    #27578881 - 12/12/21 03:54 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I really wished I would have got the memo a few years back that coir prepped on the drier side is harder to keep in an ideal surface condition. I was getting scorched corners and was overly worried about drafts.

Slightly wetter coir fixed it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27578893 - 12/12/21 04:03 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Yea I'm going to start prepping a little on the wetter side as well as adding vermiculite to see if I notice any differences. Especially for my mega fruits like PE and Melmak.

  tomentose t4 Ghost plate that didn't make the cut for going to grains. Would you guys send it? I'm tempted to prep some more grains for this plate but I just have so many damn projects going right now lol


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27579500 - 12/13/21 02:03 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

anybody have any experience with myco.ca? i'm very interested...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27579509 - 12/13/21 02:30 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I'll use a higher sub to spawn ratio in the winter when the rh is super low here. I run shoe boxes and sweater boxes though. They dry out a little quicker than monos just because of the smaller volume.

Finished building ghetto Martha 2.0 today.



Running 2 single head foggers and perilite trays to keep the up rh

Switched to bottle Tek, 1qt ziplocs for gourmets, pint widemouths for cubes, tamps, pans, and nats.

The Martha fits around 8 dozen bottles at a time. Top shelf cubes at 80-85% rh the rest run at around 87-95% that's unloaded. Hopefully runs around 90-95% loaded across all shelves.

Perfecting my lc bottles too


They stayed sterile during my testing now trying production. I love the idea of ships so hopefully this gives me the function without the drawbacks for drawing up big 60cc syringes if lc and li.
Gotta get some stirbars and build a stirplate soon. Also decided in brf for lcs  the sediment settles and the lc is super clear.

Hopefully I'll have some pics to show and teks to write soon.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Drboomer]
    #27579811 - 12/13/21 10:03 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

What’s going on with those lids! Did you glue a needle in the lid? Why?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Enjoil]
    #27579837 - 12/13/21 10:16 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

looks like a luer lock. So he can attach a syringe and aspirate


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Enjoil]
    #27579862 - 12/13/21 10:33 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Luer lock bulkhead to hose bard fitting. Covered by a cap. It's for drawing up syringes of lc.

I'm still testing but it seems to be keeping it sterile. I may have to pile up the rtv to make a gasket seal if it dosnt.

I'm trying to make lc in a sab easier for myself. This way I only ever have to open the jar to inoculate. I also have a hand mobility problem in my dominant hand. It makes pouring lc and li cumbersome.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Camera93]
    #27579875 - 12/13/21 10:46 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Got ya.. nice! Now I want to tinker with stuff! Lol

I took an iv prep kit last time I was at the hospital… I think I got one of those I can rig up.

I just was checking out some of my jars that I made with my first lc.  A couple I soaked over night in the fridge, I popped em open and they smelled strange, kinda like an alcohol smell kinda. I’m hoping it was my hands I was smelling. I think they’re ok cuz some others from the same lc have already been put in tubs and fruited. Idk. I guess we will see huh.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Enjoil]
    #27579883 - 12/13/21 10:54 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

You will want to find silicone tubing and a polypropylene fitting.

IV bits are generally nylon and not autoclavable. I found this out the hard way myself.

Let me run a few tests and I will post up a Tek with parts lists and links. They aren't really expensive. It was 20 for 20 bulkhead fittings and 20 for several feet of silicone hose. Once I've got the design perfected I'm going to make all the lc jars I can.


I run bottle Tek so liquid innoculant s are almost mandatory.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Drboomer]
    #27579922 - 12/13/21 11:33 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Sweet bro. Yeah keep me posted…
On a different thead we’re talking about how myco.ca is trying to charge people 900 dollars for a ball jar of LC. Ha ha. I can’t believe it. When they sell syringes of the same shit for 40 and you could squirt that into 30 jars….and have gallons of liquid culture.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Enjoil]
    #27580294 - 12/13/21 05:46 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Right I totally neglected these bags, life n shit,



The top of the grain didn’t colonise if you can see, I’m gonna rekon probably bacterial. Now the things have started fruiting a fair bit and I’m wondering what my options could be at this point.

I’m thinking either mix the top layer in to see if it will colonise and spawn, or just open them, case and fruit…I’m thinking spawning might be a waste of time

What’s the general consensus ?

Been busy so these just got put in cupboard and forgotten about.


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