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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #27542110 - 11/13/21 05:22 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know. I've given shitload of them at 1 gram per square (made at a different time... with different chocolate) to people and everyone loves them. The texture is a bit off but no one cares at all.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rockyfungus]
    #27542173 - 11/13/21 06:47 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Grain water needs to be diluted in my experience.




Nutrient content depends on what you want to do with it and "grain water" is not well defined either.  Just saying. :shrug:



Very true. Germinating is kinda vague. For agar though I go as light as possible. Same with LC.
Tricky spores I thought you want low nutrient too?
Curious where higher nutrient is useful?




My thinking is adding grain water (or powdered grain) to the agar selects more for potential on target nutes (grain) and avoids the lag time where the myc has to turn on the digestive enzymes for grain: more here

I get better results with my usual recipe (250 cc water, 5 g LME, 4.5 g agar, 0.5 g fine powdered yeast) when I used water from simmering grain (1/2 cup rye in 1/2 l of water for 1/2 hr) instead of straight water.  Can't say exactly what the difference is but the myc likes it better and that's what I go by mostly.  Still see all kinds of growth and can select from it but I've had some myc stall out before when doing that or similar combo without the grain component, so there must be something going on but it's hard to pin it down. 

As to straight grain water agar I've never tried it but might make some just to see what happens.  Gonna be cloning some store bought shitake and need more plates anyway. :cantlookaway:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27542281 - 11/13/21 08:57 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Left to right. Magic per square..... This might get confusing as I've been snacking on pieces and it got a little stronger than I expected. Fuck it. I'll just throw up some pics now and............ see what happens.







I can prolly manage to think enough to at least splain the last pic. Left four are the baggy boil, 6 grams in the first bar, 12 in the next 18 in the next and 24 in the next. Right four  are classic attempt at seeding and tempering but done without a thermometer. Those have 12 grams in each bar... Which equals .5 Grams per square.




Those last 4 look great. Mind sharing the recipe for that?


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    #27542290 - 11/13/21 09:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Not at all. It's my go to.... Although sometimes I make them at .25 grams per square. These are .5.

Each bar contains 144 grams chocolate, 12 grams magic and a dollop of coconut oil. I separate 1/3 of the chocolate to leave for seeding beta crystals, melt the other 2/3rds in a double boil, remove from water just before everything is melted, mix in seeding chocolate and stir until fully melted. At this point I'd normally follow legit tempering instructions but I didn't this time as I didn't have a suitable thermometer. So I just kinda eyeballed the tempering. Mix in the magic, stir nicely, pour into molds, slam on table a few times, giggle it to get the chocolate evenly distributed and allow to cool at room temp. Then take them to the bar and get erry body super sparkly.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27543437 - 11/14/21 05:55 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I found an old grain jar of mine that I never cleaned out after spawning back in late March. There are still a couple colonized grains in the jar which I'm very excited about because it's a culture I no longer have spores for and it is pretty freakin' hard to find!

How likely do you think it is that I could put an 8 month old, dried up grain to agar and get it to grow out? I'm going to try it either way, I'm just wondering how high I should get my hopes up lol.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27543439 - 11/14/21 05:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I think your chances are 50/50 without knowing more. I did a few tests
with dehydrated spawn with mixed results, link is in my sig.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27543440 - 11/14/21 06:02 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Without the grain component, so there must be something going on but it's hard to pin it down. 

As to straight grain water agar I've never tried it but might make some just to see what happens.  Gonna be cloning some store bought shitake and need more plates anyway.




Maybe clean race oats make a difference? WBS was very spotty.
The only thing I don't like because I'm really eyeballing my solution is I can get puffier myc then I like.

Sorry photo dump

Grain rinse

diluted

poured like 150 mL IIRC, and brought up to 300mLs

nice clairty

fast growth these are germs; semp, mex gal, king oyster, lions mane (shiitakes love it)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27543441 - 11/14/21 06:02 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Not at all. It's my go to.... Although sometimes I make them at .25 grams per square. These are .5.

Each bar contains 144 grams chocolate, 12 grams magic and a dollop of coconut oil. I separate 1/3 of the chocolate to leave for seeding beta crystals, melt the other 2/3rds in a double boil, remove from water just before everything is melted, mix in seeding chocolate and stir until fully melted. At this point I'd normally follow legit tempering instructions but I didn't this time as I didn't have a suitable thermometer. So I just kinda eyeballed the tempering. Mix in the magic, stir nicely, pour into molds, slam on table a few times, giggle it to get the chocolate evenly distributed and allow to cool at room temp. Then take them to the bar and get erry body super sparkly.




You can temper chocolate in the microwave without fuckin' around with seeding, coconut oil or a thermometer: put your chocolate (semi-sweet) in a plastic bowl (glass retains heat too well and could mess up the temper and metal will burn yo house down), microwave for 30 seconds, pull it out and stir, another 30 and stir, 15 seconds and stir, mix in magic and mix as well as you can, 10 more seconds and do your best to get it into the mold. The reason it works is because the chocolate never gets above the temp where the crystaline structure is broken, thus, never taking it out of temper. Cheers!

My last batch of chocolates were 1.75g of PE blobs per square. Took a couple squares to Phish in Phoenix and got like 5 people faced lol


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #27543443 - 11/14/21 06:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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I think your chances are 50/50 without knowing more. I did a few tests
with dehydrated spawn with mixed results, link is in my sig.




So you're sayin' theres a chance! lol thanks for pointing me to your experiment, I'm excited to see how that turns out!

I'll drop a couple grains to different plates in a few days and see what happens. Hope it works!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27543451 - 11/14/21 06:13 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I would give it a go for sure.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27543731 - 11/15/21 12:11 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I literally just learned this last night. Planning on trying it soon. Also, the blender to bag to water tek could pull off the same deal if you made sure the water didn't go over 95 (I think that's the limit without breaking down the beta crystals).


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27543743 - 11/15/21 12:35 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

OK. Just did it. The "do your best to get it into the mold" part was my least favorite. I think I'd rather just temper. If I were just making one or two and gave no fucks how evenly the doses came out, I'd be fine with the micro method. But wouldn't for larger batches.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27543894 - 11/15/21 07:08 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Baba Yaga said:
I think your chances are 50/50 without knowing more. I did a few tests
with dehydrated spawn with mixed results, link is in my sig.




So you're sayin' theres a chance! lol thanks for pointing me to your experiment, I'm excited to see how that turns out!

I'll drop a couple grains to different plates in a few days and see what happens. Hope it works!




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27544010 - 11/15/21 09:25 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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OK. Just did it. The "do your best to get it into the mold" part was my least favorite. I think I'd rather just temper. If I were just making one or two and gave no fucks how evenly the doses came out, I'd be fine with the micro method. But wouldn't for larger batches.




Ah shit I hope I didn't give you bum advice or cause you to screw up any bars. I only ever make 6 bars at a time so maybe that's why I can tolerate smooshing the chocolate dough into the molds. I'll try the double boiler and seeding method next to see if it works better and see which one I like better so I'm not tempted to give out bad advice again.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27544117 - 11/15/21 11:14 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Saul Goodman. I had been wanting to try it anywho. It was more work than other ways and the chocolate bloomed worse than with any other method. Don't understand why. It did work though. The magic got mixed in and the chocolate kept it's temper.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27546889 - 11/17/21 10:56 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

In my constant quest to lessen tedious tasks....

....How do others mop up the occasional pool of water in their monotub?

I currently roll paper towel and tear into inch long pieces, and dab water up.

The worst amount is a few tablespoons in a corner. I suppose I could just leave it too.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27547060 - 11/17/21 01:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Lol I twist up paper towel and poke the pool with it too.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #27547164 - 11/17/21 02:55 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I'm wishing I had a small water sucker, like dentists have. I'm running more tubs now... I don't mind the work, as long as I'm doing it the easiest way.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27547187 - 11/17/21 03:06 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Team paper towel wad as well.

Should put this in confessions or tools of the trade threads, but this reminded me that I used a shop vac to remove water after floating my first subs to give them a soak. It actually worked out fine but seems funny to me now.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro]
    #27547242 - 11/17/21 04:06 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Tilt the tub untill it runs down the side of the sub and leave it especially if knitting it pinning


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