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North Spore Shop: Bulk Substrate, Injection Grain Bag, North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #27486816 - 09/29/21 09:51 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

That is a good point... I'm sure your guage not broken and you know how to read a rocker if it is.
Do you know if all 4 were in the same cooker or?

Another thing I was going to say, and I know it might sound crazy, but your oats look dry ha idk. Qnd if that were the case it could be a improper sterilization. But you checked the hydration also?


They're presealed uninoculated


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: p9hu7]
    #27486820 - 09/29/21 09:55 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

I get my bags from a shroomery sponsor. I have used them in the semi distant and relatively recent past without issue. It has only been within the last 4 months that my contamination rate has skyrocketed. I typically inoculate within 2 days after sterilizing. These particular bags have been left undisturbed for a week and a half.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #27486822 - 09/29/21 09:56 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

I mean you guys are saying it yourself but yet we are looking directly at it.
How can mold survive those temps?
It must be improperly hydrated.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27486823 - 09/29/21 09:56 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Even with a broken guage or improperly hydrated grains mold dies readily at atmospheric temps. If your bags are sealed I'd suspect shitty quality bags, or even a bad seal around the filter.

I have sterilized grain and substrate bags  that sit for up to a month with no issue but I always make sure to source unicorn bags.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: p9hu7]
    #27486832 - 09/29/21 10:01 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Or your PC PC wayyy too packed and the steams not getting around the bags enough, not enough spacers, and core temp is never achieved.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
    #27486833 - 09/29/21 10:03 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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That is a good point... I'm sure your guage not broken and you know how to read a rocker if it is.
Do you know if all 4 were in the same cooker or?

Another thing I was going to say, and I know it might sound crazy, but your oats look dry ha idk. Qnd if that were the case it could be a improper sterilization. But you checked the hydration also?


They're presealed uninoculated




The 75x doesn't have a rocker. I am not sure how I can test the gauge but it seemingly works just fine. The 18 bags were done in two sessions. I am not sure if all four were from the same session or not.

The oats were properly hydrated before sterilization.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
    #27486837 - 09/29/21 10:05 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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Or your PC PC wayyy too packed and the steams not getting around the bags enough, not enough spacers, and core temp is never achieved.




9x 3qt bags fit comfortably in my 75x. 11x 3qt bags is stuffing it. Believe me, I have tried.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #27486842 - 09/29/21 10:10 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Bad bags.

If this were about jars getting mold post cycle the answer would be filters.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: p9hu7]
    #27486846 - 09/29/21 10:17 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

So by bad bags you mean bad filter...?


Whwred you get them brownbr?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
    #27486848 - 09/29/21 10:19 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Bad filter, bad seems, etc. I'd be pretty surprised to hear that he's using 3t bags.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: p9hu7]
    #27486849 - 09/29/21 10:20 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Side question. Do you even have to worry about popping bags in all ameticans?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33] * 1
    #27486853 - 09/29/21 10:24 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

I've experienced popping from folding bags with the filter under the wrap as apposed to above, and from quickly popping the steam valve.

When Wrapping with the filter exposed and allowing the pc to cool naturally I've not experienced a single popped or compromised bag.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: p9hu7]
    #27486883 - 09/29/21 10:59 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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I've experienced popping from folding bags with the filter under the wrap as apposed to above, and from quickly popping the steam valve.

When Wrapping with the filter exposed and allowing the pc to cool naturally I've not experienced a single popped or compromised bag.




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: p9hu7]
    #27486887 - 09/29/21 11:05 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Yes. They are 3T bags. No. I am not going to call the supplier out. I let the 75x completely cool before opening. I slowly bleed the valve to make sure that there isn't any vacuum. I used and prepped the same bags from the same supplier from November 2020 to May 2021 with absolutely no contamination issues. The only thing that has changed between May and now is I received my 75x in June. Before then, I was using my AA 921.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #27486942 - 09/30/21 12:06 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Well that's a pickle. Yeah I wouldn't recommend contacting the supplier, lol.

Hope you figure it out, I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of it sooner or later.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: p9hu7]
    #27486992 - 09/30/21 01:23 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

I agree with what p9 has been saying. Unless the bags are still full of mostly vacuum, some dirty air has found its way in. This will always happen unless you have some kind of filter exposed. With jars and bottles, people say the shape and wetness of the threads/foil will cause microbes to fall or get stuck; I'm not sure if that's true, but with bags there is no corresponding element that will trap microbes.

But beware I don't know about all the physics of bags. The point is, if the pressure in the bag rises over time (and it might still look tight), air is getting in.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
    #27487068 - 09/30/21 04:49 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

With all the plastic resin shortages from covid bullshit I wonder if newer bags are being made with sloppy quality control?

I use plastic cups at work and we re stocked from the same supplier and I swear these polypropylene cups are thinner and more flimsy.. just a thought.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #27487097 - 09/30/21 06:29 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Ahhh I'm out of fuel for my burner and need to make transfers (take need with a pinch of salt).

Could I use 70% in my burner?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #27487102 - 09/30/21 06:46 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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With all the plastic resin shortages from covid bullshit I wonder if newer bags are being made with sloppy quality control?

I use plastic cups at work and we re stocked from the same supplier and I swear these polypropylene cups are thinner and more flimsy.. just a thought.




This could be part of the issue although I would imagine everyone would be having the same problem.

I had a back and forth with a well known vender. One that everyone swears by. I told him that the particular batch of bags that I bought were thinner and causing issues. I told him that I had to turn my impulse sealer down from its normal setting or else this particular batch of bags would melt. They wouldn't budge so I refused to buy more from him. So I went back to my original supplier only to find out that their bags are now thinner also.

I am going to run a few batches of jars and see what happens. If all goes well, I may just stick wirh jars. I want to be more environmentally friendly anyway and to source locally whenever I possibly can.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: coversall]
    #27487107 - 09/30/21 07:05 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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Ahhh I'm out of fuel for my burner and need to make transfers (take need with a pinch of salt).

Could I use 70% in my burner?




Hey coversall, I bought an alcohol lamp when I just started mycology but haven’t been able to find any burning alcohol. All I have is 70% etho and it only works if you physically soak the wick and after 30mins it won’t light. I was kinda bummed out but I’ve been using a bic lighter ever since.

All the tips of my tools are black…


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