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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Southerner]
    #27463824 - 09/11/21 06:35 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I've pressure cooker grains for 4 hours without them turning to mush. I think the water level has something to do with this.. don't vent longer than you need to. I do 2 layers of rings under the trivet so I can add more water without the level rising past the grains. Idk tho still be experimenting. Also hiw hydrated they were prior as well as how much pressure you put on them when your closing your PC.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
    #27463829 - 09/11/21 06:43 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

That’s good to hear. I know what you mean about the water level. I’ve turned pf cakes into a post apocalyptic breakfast sludge by having part of the jar submerged back in the day. I think ideally everything is above the water but we work with what we’ve got. The bags on the bottom will be substrate for gourmets so I think they’ll be fine with a little water.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Southerner]
    #27463834 - 09/11/21 06:51 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I really wish I knew what causes the "water level" to "smoosh" the grains. And how accurate that could be..

Best of luck!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
    #27464076 - 09/11/21 11:12 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I would not run bags and jars together. Just do one or the other at a time to the max.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #27464081 - 09/11/21 11:15 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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meh just eat more.



Just a bunch of cubes...:smoker:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #27464092 - 09/11/21 11:31 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

What’s the average time for an LC to be ready from inoculation by agar?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27464100 - 09/11/21 11:37 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Five days is the soonest i would use it, and that’s still pretty early but it’ll work well enough if you’re in a hurry.


Ten days is probably when it starts to get nice and thick.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #27464111 - 09/11/21 11:54 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I kind of run my LC on neglect tek. Takes a while. I should get a stirrer.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #27464113 - 09/11/21 11:55 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Cheers!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27464141 - 09/11/21 12:31 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Bags arent going to melt unless u run your cooker dry and that shouldnt be happenning unless youre using the cooker improperly


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27464146 - 09/11/21 12:39 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Speaking of LC, I asked yesterday and didn't get an answer. It's now been 3 days since noccing up 5 jars of grains with a LC that has a ton of obvious mycelium. I'm not seeing ANYTHING in the jars. How long can LC take to noticeably colonize a jar of wheat? Did I somehow only pour water in them all even though I mixed on a stir plate on high?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27464155 - 09/11/21 12:47 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

That’s good to hear, got me first ever bags on the go right now :thumbup:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27464162 - 09/11/21 12:56 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Bags arent going to melt unless u run your cooker dry and that shouldnt be happenning unless youre using the cooker improperly




I've had bags pot with water in it... and i don't know if i should attribute that to the bag melting(or just deteriorating/warping), being weekend by the heat.
Or if it's because the bags need relief and I've blocked the filter as well as the mouth of the bag from any reliefe.

And in these cases it's hard to tell if it popped or melted.

Or maybe pressure fluxes but idk how that would or does affect the bag. I don't don't it should...



Another thing I believe, and I'm going to test this eventually, Is what the PC walls temperature is at full temp/full pressure. Because for whatever reason I've only popped/melted bottom bags. And I think this is because of how hot the bottom section of the PC gets specifically, being right next to the element.

Anyone know off the top of their head what the b are rated for temp wise?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wahhwahh]
    #27464196 - 09/11/21 01:20 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Speaking of LC, I asked yesterday and didn't get an answer. It's now been 3 days since noccing up 5 jars of grains with a LC that has a ton of obvious mycelium. I'm not seeing ANYTHING in the jars. How long can LC take to noticeably colonize a jar of wheat? Did I somehow only pour water in them all even though I mixed on a stir plate on high?



I've had LC take nearly a week to show. I think in those cases it either had been refrigerated or was mostly liquid without a lot of mycelia. I've also read a couple (rare) reports of aggressive stir plate usage killing LCs, but that's not really confirmed.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
    #27464207 - 09/11/21 01:30 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

When the contents of the cooker are up to temp it should be even throughout.  Popping bags is usually from extra space that gives them room to expand or if your running a presto and its cooling too quickly u may need to try gradually dialing down the temp


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
    #27464232 - 09/11/21 01:48 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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gone-pear-shaped said:
Quote:

wahhwahh said:
Speaking of LC, I asked yesterday and didn't get an answer. It's now been 3 days since noccing up 5 jars of grains with a LC that has a ton of obvious mycelium. I'm not seeing ANYTHING in the jars. How long can LC take to noticeably colonize a jar of wheat? Did I somehow only pour water in them all even though I mixed on a stir plate on high?



I've had LC take nearly a week to show. I think in those cases it either had been refrigerated or was mostly liquid without a lot of mycelia. I've also read a couple (rare) reports of aggressive stir plate usage killing LCs, but that's not really confirmed.




ah that makes me feel better. definitely didn't kill anything, I still have 100ml in the media bottle and it looks good.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27464233 - 09/11/21 01:49 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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The cool kids + midlifers don't think normal cubes are cool enough, need fluff, marketing ploy and mutants.




IKR, here in Argentina everyone and their mothers are starting to sell grow kits (always spore to pre-sterilized grain) and they put cringe descriptions on different cube strains. Like how Mckennai is the "strongest cube known" and how Golden Teachers are harder to grow but with more rewarding yields (?)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27464238 - 09/11/21 01:58 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I just don't understand how it could possibly be even throughout with the element coming on and off, specifically the bottom. Idk. I got a temp gun I want to do some analysis.
And I've recently cooked a couple 9+lb bags individually, with like 1+ inches of space alla round, without letting it cool gradually, and  experienced absolutely no warping at all.

I honestly don't think it has to do with space inside the cooker nor cooling gradually.


I don't even get how cooling could cause a pop, as it cools it contacts, not expands. If anything I figure it would be from it expanding to quickly.

In which case I've had experiences where I turned down my burner too much, and it drops to like 10 psi, so I turn it on all the way, which may cause it to increase to quickly. And I believe this may be a factor.


I wish there would be a way to test all these variables individually, but that would be alot of prepped grain with no cause. But I am seriously committed to figuring all these variables out, and hope to do a bag write up myself..


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27464241 - 09/11/21 02:01 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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When the contents of the cooker are up to temp it should be even throughout.  Popping bags is usually from extra space that gives them room to expand or if your running a presto and its cooling too quickly u may need to try gradually dialing down the temp




My bags still cooking…about 20 mins left…I was just gonna turn the gas off it’s on the lowest it gets already

I’ll just let it cool down naturally it’s not that cold inside


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jomanda1990]
    #27464245 - 09/11/21 02:02 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

It's crazy. Even regular orange capped cubes with no verifiable specialist characteristics, gets called all kinds of jazz.

Like this lizard king shit someone sent me. Okay so this is Jim Morrison's personal strain?
Woahhh.

If you knew the prices people hustle out random ms cubes and GTs for in western Europe, Americans and Canadians would go into spasms and be brain dead before you hit the floor

Albino market also inflated to fuck.

I sell grow kits sometimes too, but they are finished when I send them, no action required. Sometimes they contam it happens, then I replace them.

What I'd do if I was a beginner or lazy rich man, would just be to buy plates and grainspawn from  reputable grower.

But obviously there's a huge market internationally for hustling out spore prints,

So only way to navigate this is to educate yourself by learning what strains have true uniqueness or actual specific characteristics.

What strains are true and what are scams


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