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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27455415 - 09/03/21 10:21 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Anyone tried making an extract in coconut oil?  That would work perfectly for chocolates.



Some internet searches indicate that psilocin and psilocybin are practically insoluble in organic solvents. And coconut oil is a fairly typical organic solvent, with solubility parameters similar to mineral oil if I recall. So no, it won't take up mushroom actives.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
    #27455422 - 09/03/21 10:33 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Actives are water soluble that's why tea works, but not oils.

Speaking of, I took shrooms for the first time today and messed up my dosage so bad lol. Took 2g of fresh ape blobs, but now i realize that's like 200mg of dried :facepalm3: but I think it was definetly stronger because that wasn't what I'd call a "microdose" level experience. The queeziness was pretty uncomfortable though, I even took ginger tea before but that didn't help much.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ora]
    #27455438 - 09/03/21 10:57 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I knew a straight solution wouldn't work but I was wondering if maybe you could make a psilocybin emulsion in coconut oil using lecithin. Maybe add tea and lecithin to coconut oil, blend, then heat to dehydrate and end up with psilocybin inside of micelles.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Abyssinian]
    #27455452 - 09/03/21 11:34 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I thought people used ultrasonic cleansers for that type of homemade liposomal solution. Can a blender itself work? Only one way to find out


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Abyssinian]
    #27455453 - 09/03/21 11:35 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Ora I always take mine on an empty stomach (at least 4 hours no eating) and don't take them w/ solid food.  I eat mine with thicker consistency raw honey (also masks the flavor really nicely).  Makes a remarkable difference in both the comfort of digestion and the experience itself.  I reconfirmed this recently after eating 10 or 12g on an empty stomach and having an amazing trip with zero stomach discomfort followed by eating 5-7 more a few hours later after eating a heavy meal.  Both stomach + Trip were way crappier.

Wet shrooms are harder on the stomach too IMO the body has to work harder to digest them.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wiscoregon]
    #27455462 - 09/04/21 12:04 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

It was about 5hrs after eating, but I had a big lunch lol. Maybe I'll try some of those digestive enzymes and see if those help.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ora]
    #27455463 - 09/04/21 12:09 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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I thought people used ultrasonic cleansers for that type of homemade liposomal solution. Can a blender itself work? Only one way to find out



You can make mayonnaise with a fork or whisk :shrug:
Lots of scientific articles talking about making micelles just use turned up magnetic stirrer for a good amount of time - its not really such a complicated or difficult process. Blender, coffee frother, whisk, whatever you got, you just need to disrupt the molecules so that they are spread throughout each other and then they will start forming the structures naturally, fancy equipment isn't really necessary as far as I know, its more of a flex.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Abyssinian]
    #27455509 - 09/04/21 03:14 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I heartily disagree. Mayonnaise is black magic. I encourage you to try it--homemade tends to be quite tasty--but there are times the emulsion breaks and you'll have no idea why. And once an emulsion breaks, there's no well established way to fix it besides starting over. At least I've never heard of a way to pull it off. Homogenization would probably work, but we don't have homogenizers at home.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
    #27455550 - 09/04/21 05:39 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Homemade Mayo is super easy if you got a stick blender. An egg, some oil and lemon juice to help emulsify it. I’ve made it plenty of times and it’s never broken on me. I can’t imagine doing the same thing with a water extract and coconut oil would be any different


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wall.E]
    #27455623 - 09/04/21 07:51 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

2g of fresh ape is definitely way above microdose. That was your first time ever with shrooms or just with ones you grew?



I do the opposite, I usually prefer longer gradual trips so I eat something smaller like a sandwich and then grind up the shrooms into capsules that are .33. I’ll take half my dose and then take the rest over the next 40-60 minutes.



I get very little stomach problems and I think a lot of the issues people have with the come up of tea is from getting a huge dump of psilocybin at once in liquid form.



The shorter intense tea trips definitely have their place for me occasionally too but it’s rare.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wall.E]
    #27455638 - 09/04/21 07:57 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Making spore syringes for a few buddies, I want to make sure they are as clean as possible.

I just used a print sitting at my desk as practice before doing the real thing.

The idea is that I’m going to rest the print on this jar like this for stability and scrape to the right



And then carefully open the jar of sterile distilled water and try slope the spores down without waving about too much.

Just a couple questions:

Is there any disadvantage to the foils positioning, or also my hand being so close to the print like this to make it easier to scrape:



- Am I likely to get contaminants from using the whole print? I know each print and it’s cleanliness is different, but for the most part would it be significantly safer only scraping from the middle ring of the print ?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27455680 - 09/04/21 08:47 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I try to use as few spores as possible.


What I usually do is scrape up a little pile of spores, then I put a plug into a syringe and remove the plunger. Then I pick up the print and tap the spores into the back of the open syringe.


After that I use a second syringe full of sterile water and spray it into the new syringe making sure I knock off any spores that got stuck to the sides of the barrel.


Then put the plunger back in and shake it up.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #27455693 - 09/04/21 08:59 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Print hygiene matters a lot actually


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27455853 - 09/04/21 11:06 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

It was my first experience with shrooms ever, I've only done lsd before. I just chewed the shrooms with honey trying to masticate it as best as I could. I just got this tension in my stomach and the bottom of my throat I usually get when I get nauseous on psychedelics. Or maybe that was some allergy towards shrooms. I heard it's possible to be allergic.

It's interesting people seem to redose shrooms. I've always heard if you don't take doses of psychedelics at one time you instantly get a tolerance so your redose needs to be higher.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ora]
    #27455887 - 09/04/21 11:38 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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It was my first experience with shrooms ever, I've only done lsd before. I just chewed the shrooms with honey trying to masticate it as best as I could. I just got this tension in my stomach and the bottom of my throat I usually get when I get nauseous on psychedelics. Or maybe that was some allergy towards shrooms. I heard it's possible to be allergic.

It's interesting people seem to redose shrooms. I've always heard if you don't take doses of psychedelics at one time you instantly get a tolerance so your redose needs to be higher.




In my experience you have about an hour after your first dosing to take more, after that it becomes much less effective. Once the come-up begins, if I can tell from how it feels that I didn't dose enough then I will quickly eat some more and that works for me.

And I will echo A.k.a's sentiment that eating some food with your dose eases stomach( and other come-up related) issues. I always eat a small sandwich or some crackers with my dose nowadays and I never get any kind of nausea anymore. I fast leading up to my trips, but eat when I dose, that seems to be the magic combination for me. Dosing on an empty stomach, tea or otherwise, always led to more issues for me.

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I heartily disagree. Mayonnaise is black magic. I encourage you to try it--homemade tends to be quite tasty--but there are times the emulsion breaks and you'll have no idea why. And once an emulsion breaks, there's no well established way to fix it besides starting over. At least I've never heard of a way to pull it off. Homogenization would probably work, but we don't have homogenizers at home.



I only ever made mayo once just for fun since I don't particularly enjoy it on food. It turned out fine, other than the fact that it was mayo.

I have, however, made a number of pharmaceutical emulsions and I was always pretty good at it, I know some people would have troubles with them, but I never did.

I credit the fact that I loved watching food network as a kid and saw mayo made dozens of times. Plus I always found the chemistry of phospholipid bilayers, liposomes, and micelles fascinating, so maybe they felt the love and always helped me out :smirk:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Abyssinian]
    #27455911 - 09/04/21 12:08 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I would just like to say I always have had issues eating mushys and last year i discovered that eating them with a quaker chewy granola bar (i perfer chocolate chip). Does an excellent job covering the texture and taste and prevents me from any gaging when eating them. Also convenient if camping/backpacking, lightweight and small.
Also tea is awesome but the trip always seems shorter.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: milkboy]
    #27455921 - 09/04/21 12:23 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

im suprised people are bothered by the taste. its very mild for me, but then again i throw all kinds of supplement powders into my mouth some of which are super foul lol


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ora]
    #27455953 - 09/04/21 12:42 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I agree… I don’t think they taste bad at all, to me they have almost no taste.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AtmozFear]
    #27455991 - 09/04/21 01:08 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Freshness and how fast they were dried affects taste alot.  Also some strains are much more bitter than others.  Azzies taste the worst IMO


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27455999 - 09/04/21 01:13 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Freshness and how fast they were dried affects taste alot.  Also some strains are much more bitter than others.  Azzies taste the worst IMO



IIRC, commercial dehydrated mushrooms are not heat treated. They has massive fans that move massive air in an arid environment, or even freeze-dried, rather than gently cook them like our little prestos and cabelas dehydrators do. That little bit of heat changes the flavor big time.


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