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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feedyourhead33]
    #27452564 - 09/01/21 05:01 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Hazyhorse, Why not just spawn it into a mono? I am sure it is pre pasteurized.


Edited by BrownBear (09/01/21 05:08 PM)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feedyourhead33]
    #27452568 - 09/01/21 05:07 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

nope! just leave the bags be, you'll do more harm than good trying to pick out the "good" stuff. you can top fruit some seriously nasty stuff & still get mushrooms. think of it this way: by fucking around with the myc & breaking it up, moving it, etc. you're going to stress it out & it will have to repair itself before it's ready to fruit. since it's already contaminated, this just gives the bacteria an even better chance to win out. just throw a 1/2-1" layer of coir over the top & keep it properly moist

@ brownbear, sweet, this is what i was thinking. just seemed weird that the bag came with two filter patches on it so i didn't know if i needed to do something weird or special with it. i'll probably just use it as i would coir. thank you!!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27452574 - 09/01/21 05:11 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not sure why there are two but the filter patch is so it won't go anaerobic. With pasteurization there will still be beneficial microbes.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear] * 1
    #27452584 - 09/01/21 05:21 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Why don't they tell you at shroomery school that refrigerated grains also are hard and sticky


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27452591 - 09/01/21 05:27 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Shroomery school?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27452592 - 09/01/21 05:27 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah just use it like coir and you should be fine.


Perfect opportunity to try a run at pans :awesomenod:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #27452601 - 09/01/21 05:37 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

if i had some pan prints i totally would!! they’ve been on my exotics list for awhile. i love cubes & they are super simple but it seems so fun to grow some of the other exotics


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27452893 - 09/01/21 11:13 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah if it was me I would throw the compost in the fridge boot up some pans and spawn to that. :mushroom2:

I actually just did that with a hpoo/straw based pasteurized sub after 3 weeks in the fridge, no problems so far.

48 hours after putting a spawned bag to a tub / consolidation.  Looking decent.


Have two other bags that are coir/verm/compost about halfway there (kinda iffy).  If they make it i'll case w/ cactus soil/verm so it's poo-less / peat-less.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wiscoregon]
    #27452927 - 09/01/21 11:35 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Wait what? Are you saying compost has value for mush cult? My compost is buckwild and I'd love to tame it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d]
    #27452940 - 09/01/21 11:45 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I'm using MycoMessiah's recipe for tubs.  Not sure he's on shroomery. 

Substrate ingredients (by dry volume)
- 8 cups manure and/or compost
- 1/2 brick coco coir (650g Brick)
- 3 cups vermiculite
-Hydrate to field capacity

Divide into two bags, pasteurize.  Or you can add dry millet (3 cups) and PC for 3 hours + LI

By all means tame that strange.  I honestly don't really know what kind of compost is called for I grabbed a bag of some planting compost to test (ingredients aged fir bark, aged forest products, compost, feather meal, bat guano, alfalfa meal, kelp meal.)  May work - we'll see. Colonized halfway (looked healthy) and gave it a mix.

Baba Yaga's mono stuff has been helpful also
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27252786

@AKA your milkjug pans in your sig look really good.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wiscoregon]
    #27453006 - 09/02/21 12:54 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going to change to hpoo if this coir contams again, I'm losing too many clean tubs and the contaminating coir that I found didn't make me feel confident in my current grows.
Spawned 6 shoeboxes but I think they will follow the same route due to the coir.
I kept a bag of spawn which I will add to pasteurized hpoo tonight to see if there's a difference.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27453026 - 09/02/21 01:19 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I have several quarts of spawn I don't really want to bother growing yet. How long can I just leave these on the shelf? It's been a week or so and I've already noticed they've shrank a bit from the sides of the jars. Should I throw in the fridge or nah? Prob be another week or two before I do anything with em.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wahhwahh]
    #27453030 - 09/02/21 01:24 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

They’d be fine for another week or two. Some people let their jars consolidate for this time anyways.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #27453144 - 09/02/21 04:32 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Uline sends those big beautiful catalogs tho:awesome:




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DERRAYLD] * 2
    #27453415 - 09/02/21 09:40 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm going to change to hpoo if this coir contams again, I'm losing too many clean tubs and the contaminating coir that I found didn't make me feel confident in my current grows.
Spawned 6 shoeboxes but I think they will follow the same route due to the coir.
I kept a bag of spawn which I will add to pasteurized hpoo tonight to see if there's a difference.



Its always the spawn, never the coir. switching to hpoo is only going to make things more difficult for you, as you must pasteurize the stuff, unlike coir. Trust me, its your spawn, not your substrate. Its never coir's fault. Its sold as reptile bedding specifically because it doesn't grow molds when you hydrate it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #27453487 - 09/02/21 10:51 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Hey. So someone said that a plate I had, that was "scalloping" looked like what youde expect to verticillium or mycogone to look like.
But I was looking over the contamination thread and it says
""Spores must come in direct contact with part of a fruit body and will then cause symptoms in that area.
So is it even possible to grow vert on just agar/mycelium in a petri? Or would the spores just be present, and would would truly damage the mycelium?
Interesting no pics of vert on agar or grains that I can see.


Also no pics of mycogone
And what Wikipedia shows does not look like what most people think it is.

I looked over this thread but how do we know it's vert on the plates
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22020260



And then of course bods mycogone thread.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25285598/fpart/all

I'm asking because of that ape spawn. But I do also deal with vert...

I think the blobbing is just pe traits.


Any of you guys get mycogonw you think?


Edit
Actually what about this
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Cultural-characteristics-of-different-V-dahliae-morphotypes-cultured-on-PDA-during-21-to_fig3_311652772

Can that be added to the contamination forum?


Meh, looks like it needs a host...?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311652772_Morphological_Variability_Within_and_Among_Verticillium_Species_Collected_in_Tunisia#pf8



And are we more specifically dealing with v. Fungi cola?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verticillium_dry_bubble

Cause that can't be seen on a petri dish it seems.
Can you culture vert on a petri alone, and or with just mycelium?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
    #27453527 - 09/02/21 11:49 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I think I have mycogone. It's on two plates from the same lineage, so it was hiding starting at some previous point. Fortunately that lineage isn't one I care about keeping.



I don't have a microscope to confirm.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
    #27453531 - 09/02/21 11:52 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone here with experience setting up a grow tent? I gotta move you projects outside of the house into my cellar to make room for a baby on the way. I have a mini Martha but im looking to get one of those bigger ones with the 2 shelves. I don’t know a single thing about foggers  or running stuff open tray.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
    #27453535 - 09/02/21 11:56 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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I think I have mycogone. It's on two plates from the same lineage, so it was hiding starting at some previous point. Fortunately that lineage isn't one I care about keeping.



I don't have a microscope to confirm.




Doesn't look like it to me. Looks like thick tometose and bacteria. Interesting how it's so spotty around the edges.
Also did you post a pic of a plate that had patches missing like a week ago or something? What strain was that?

And mycogones a fungi, not bacteria, it produces a fruit body, and I'm sure at this point someone would have really noticed it, and been like what the fuck probably. Not like a blob, I doubt.
I mean if you read bods mycogone thread, I'm waiting to see it confirmed personally.
I've experienced vert, only in fruiting.
I've never really thought I had mycogone.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #27453558 - 09/02/21 12:20 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm going to change to hpoo if this coir contams again, I'm losing too many clean tubs and the contaminating coir that I found didn't make me feel confident in my current grows.
Spawned 6 shoeboxes but I think they will follow the same route due to the coir.
I kept a bag of spawn which I will add to pasteurized hpoo tonight to see if there's a difference.



Its always the spawn, never the coir. switching to hpoo is only going to make things more difficult for you, as you must pasteurize the stuff, unlike coir. Trust me, its your spawn, not your substrate. Its never coir's fault. Its sold as reptile bedding specifically because it doesn't grow molds when you hydrate it.




I'm not sure I linked my 2 posts together.
I left a shoebox half filled with field capacity coir and nothing else, the coir grew 2 spots of mold.

I've grown for many years without coir using hpoo exclusively because it's super cheap for me and I am very good at pasteurizing due to growing oysters for years.
Coir was more of an exercise in simplicity due to the removal of the pasteurizing but the coir I get is suspect.


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