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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: filthyknees]
#27439482 - 08/23/21 12:09 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah a 75x isn't a great choice for the available volume at that price point that's for sure.
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filthyknees
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27439526 - 08/23/21 12:50 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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For grain I love them. Wouldn't dream of using them for substrate unless hobby level.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: filthyknees]
#27439533 - 08/23/21 12:55 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I always liked this design for the steamers:

But I've never built either so
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Feasoghorm

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: filthyknees]
#27439534 - 08/23/21 12:55 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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God damn you guys...im selling all my shit and going back to cakes  
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#27439541 - 08/23/21 01:02 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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junk_f00d


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27439554 - 08/23/21 01:09 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: Personally I wanna eliminate jars from my process since they're so bulky for so little content mass.
I just got these guys the other day for the same reason (plus all the time spent cleaning and worrying about lid/filter failure):

Of course you can just use full sized bags but this seemed a little more fun. I put about 1.5 quarts in each and I'll probably bag2bag to 6-8 normal bags to start out. I can squeeze them into the cracks between the larger bags too, or just make a shallow top layer of them, which is kinda nice over running jars in their own PC cycle.
Edited by junk_f00d (08/23/21 01:19 PM)
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Failboat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27439590 - 08/23/21 01:34 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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My homie is an electrician now and he takes that shit serious so maybe if I pay him we can build something nicer than the FH. Oughta be able to get one built far sooner than 10-12wk. $5k could probably be better spent on a vehicle or workshop than a steamer after all..
I'm operating on a "Gotta have it to sell it" motto so I need to ramp up production before I really try to set up any kind of consistent retail/wholesale. Although I already met someone with a food trailer who wanted supplied. The farmers market has plenty of potential customers, but no mush for them from current vendors. I suppose I may need to build a dedicated structure for fruiting so as to control environment and stay safe with spores n such, no growers lung for me plz.
Bag to bag seems awkward to me although I've not tried it. Skipping a few weeks worth of colonization by going from plate to bag is seemingly kind of worth the extra cost in petris. No time or money spent on prepping intermediary grain. Agar smooshes easily in bags so you still get multiple inoculation points. LC is probably where I will settle for master inoculate.
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Feasoghorm

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27439614 - 08/23/21 01:54 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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mushboy said:

Unfortunately i have no need to cultivate such large amounts. The purchase of a flowhood cannot be substantiated without significant return. It takes all my free time and im left without any time to paint. ETC....
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27439616 - 08/23/21 01:56 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: Bag to bag seems awkward to me although I've not tried it. Skipping a few weeks worth of colonization by going from plate to bag is seemingly kind of worth the extra cost in petris. No time or money spent on prepping intermediary grain. Agar smooshes easily in bags so you still get multiple inoculation points. LC is probably where I will settle for master inoculate.
Some people seem to prefer bag2bag after trying it (I haven't yet either). You can make a seal just above where the grain is, then cut a small pour spout with scissors/scalpel, seems pretty ergonomic esp with smaller bags. For me the idea with the small bags rather than agar straight to a big bag was to minimize losses (i.e, little bag goes bad from a sloppy a2g it's not as big of a deal), just like we do with master jars, and and to cut down on agar work. I think it may be more time efficient/scalable over agar2bag for all innoculations, maybe, but idk. And I think they'll make neat little master bags for long term storage (faster than starting from a slant). But I find agar work a pain to keep up with at times and try to minimize how much I require it (and have a tendency to go overboard), so like anything else it comes down to personal preference really. LMK if you want a little handful of tiny bags to try out though.
Edited by junk_f00d (08/23/21 02:02 PM)
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Failboat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d]
#27439642 - 08/23/21 02:21 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nifty, maybe I'll try it with my bigger bags, making the short seal and cutting a pour hole. I got some bags ready to use right now and one could become so many more fo sho.
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filthyknees
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27439685 - 08/23/21 02:53 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I love bag to bag, and quirk one thought on gorumet wholesale is you may be able to once you have pics of your product just call, email and visit farmers markets who are based around csa's.
If I could go back to starting to expand gourmets I'd only grow according to contracts. One csa may want 50# every two weeks.
And you may find someone willing to fruit the blocks themselves if you email/visit a dozen csa's and can break it down so it makes sense for them.
I had grown a bunch first and then establishing those relationships like the days before the fruits are mature led me to throwing away lots of fruits and wasting work in the first baby step of trying edibles business.
Best move I've made in years. People here and gourmet section are extraordinarily helpful.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27440076 - 08/23/21 07:50 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: My homie is an electrician now and he takes that shit serious so maybe if I pay him we can build something nicer than the FH. Oughta be able to get one built far sooner than 10-12wk. $5k could probably be better spent on a vehicle or workshop than a steamer after all..
I'm operating on a "Gotta have it to sell it" motto so I need to ramp up production before I really try to set up any kind of consistent retail/wholesale. Although I already met someone with a food trailer who wanted supplied. The farmers market has plenty of potential customers, but no mush for them from current vendors. I suppose I may need to build a dedicated structure for fruiting so as to control environment and stay safe with spores n such, no growers lung for me plz.
Bag to bag seems awkward to me although I've not tried it. Skipping a few weeks worth of colonization by going from plate to bag is seemingly kind of worth the extra cost in petris. No time or money spent on prepping intermediary grain. Agar smooshes easily in bags so you still get multiple inoculation points. LC is probably where I will settle for master inoculate.
Were heading down the same path. I need consistent grows and I'm attacking farmers markets and possibly local chefs. I was thinking about getting a toughshed for fruiting and if it's big enough possibly a lab in there.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rockyfungus]
#27440220 - 08/23/21 10:34 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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i feel like ive been doing something stupid. i usually shake my blenderless LI jars at around 30% because the mycelium from agar chunks are so much bigger than the spotted fuzz on single grains spread throughout. maybe i shouldve just left it alone so those small fuzz balls can grow bigger and itll even out eventually. have i been adding extra days to colonizing this whole time?
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gone-pear-shaped
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ora]
#27440247 - 08/23/21 11:12 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ora said: i feel like ive been doing something stupid. i usually shake my blenderless LI jars at around 30% because the mycelium from agar chunks are so much bigger than the spotted fuzz on single grains spread throughout. maybe i shouldve just left it alone so those small fuzz balls can grow bigger and itll even out eventually. have i been adding extra days to colonizing this whole time?
What grain? It depends on recovery time, and I find millet recovers ultra fast while bigger grains don't. But even on a bigger grain, shaking might be good. I'm not sure. An experiment might be in order...
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rye grain. when i do the first shake after pouring my agar usually settles all near the bottom of the jar, so the bottom is usually colonized while anything above it is spotty white myc after 8 days. idk maybe its fine like that.
well i have 2 jars that are exactly like that, but i guess i wont shake those 2 and see how they do. i also just shook 4 jars that were like that so maybe well see whats the difference. although the 2 jars im not shaking are ape and the 4 jars i shook are gt, but honestly it seems they were colonizing at similar speeds so it may not matter.
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gone-pear-shaped
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ora]
#27440266 - 08/23/21 11:46 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ora said: rye grain. when i do the first shake after pouring my agar usually settles all near the bottom of the jar, so the bottom is usually colonized while anything above it is spotty white myc after 8 days. idk maybe its fine like that.
If you have a blender ball, you could also try thickening the water for the blenderless LI. 0.2% agar should work, but I bet some xanthan gum or guar gum would work even better, since those gels don't get broken up by shear. (Gelatin gels do get broken up but they reform, so gelatin probably works.) Thickened water will help the LI stick to grains rather than settling in the bottom.
If you don't have a blender ball, I'd be afraid the agar wouldn't get broken up enough if you used thick water.
But if you don't want to go all chemist, then a side by side comparison will tell you all you need to know.
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yeah i keep forgetting to add the agar in the water every time even though i have thought of it. but i actually find i dont have any extra water pooling anywhere after shaking, its all dry the next day, not sure why. the only reason the bottom colonizes is because the way i shake, it pushes the agar all the way to the bottom so the bottom is colonized only because it spread from the agar pieces
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ora]
#27440277 - 08/24/21 12:02 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Go for agar lc, it doesn't settle on the bottom of the jar.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ora]
#27440278 - 08/24/21 12:03 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have been beating my head against the wall all summer dealing with trich. At the beginning of summer I began using RGS for spawn. I have used lc's, li's, agar plates and g2g to inoculate it. Seeing trich show up in the rgs spawn bags has been rather rare (less than 5% of all bags this summer). While RGS colonizes a little slower than just about every other grain I have used (popcorn, wheat, oats & rice), it does recovery quickly (within 24 hrs) after shaking the bag and fully colonizes again in about 3 days. However, as soon as I spawn it to hydrated coir, it is slow to recover (3+ days) and 95% of the time trich's out before full colonization of the bulk sub is reached.
Originally I thought the issue was room temperature in my tent but I now have that under control but trich is still a problem. So I came to the conclusion that it must be the grain spawn. I honestly do not think it is my sterile technique as I have said recovery and full colonization is reached within 3 days after a shake. So I don't think trich and bacteria are the issue with the spawn itself. I honestly think its the RGS. I believe it may be that the hydration of the bulk sub is inhibiting the recovery and growth once the RGS is spawned.
So I am in the process of running a few tests. The first test is I took the rest of my rgs spawn and divided between 1 qt deli cups (v tech style) on Friday morning. Again recovery has been decent and it was near full colonization as of yesterday afternoon before I left for work. There has been no sign of trich in any of the deli cups. I plan on putting a top layer of coir and bottom watering and fruiting them v tech style.
The second test is that I am running 2 different grains. I have a dozen wheat bags and 10 popcorn bags that I sterilized and inoculated over the weekend. So we will see if my technique is bad or if RGS itself has been the problem all along.
Edited by BrownBear (08/24/21 12:06 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rockyfungus]
#27440325 - 08/24/21 02:23 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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rockyfungus said:
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Quirkmeister92 said: My homie is an electrician now and he takes that shit serious so maybe if I pay him we can build something nicer than the FH. Oughta be able to get one built far sooner than 10-12wk. $5k could probably be better spent on a vehicle or workshop than a steamer after all..
I'm operating on a "Gotta have it to sell it" motto so I need to ramp up production before I really try to set up any kind of consistent retail/wholesale. Although I already met someone with a food trailer who wanted supplied. The farmers market has plenty of potential customers, but no mush for them from current vendors. I suppose I may need to build a dedicated structure for fruiting so as to control environment and stay safe with spores n such, no growers lung for me plz.
Bag to bag seems awkward to me although I've not tried it. Skipping a few weeks worth of colonization by going from plate to bag is seemingly kind of worth the extra cost in petris. No time or money spent on prepping intermediary grain. Agar smooshes easily in bags so you still get multiple inoculation points. LC is probably where I will settle for master inoculate.
Were heading down the same path. I need consistent grows and I'm attacking farmers markets and possibly local chefs. I was thinking about getting a toughshed for fruiting and if it's big enough possibly a lab in there.
how are you going to manage temp and rh in the toughshed? that might be a solution for me, but i am in the tropics.
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