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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27438875 - 08/22/21 06:57 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm about ready to to just spring for a Bubba Barrel for blocks and a 100 150L autoclave for grain spawn.
I'm gonna run a bunch of bags just nocced directly with plates. Someone else said they're doing that, and it's pretty convenient. I did some of my first bags that way and many a week and a half ago before I went on vacation. At <$2 per bag of spawn each producing one monotub; skipping jar work will certainly save effort and colonization time for negligible extra cost. I'll still keep working on my LC game.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat] 1
#27438878 - 08/22/21 07:01 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd like to run a side by side comparison with a reliable edible clone culture on a 5lb supplemented block, and straight hwfp with an extra full jar of spawn.
I bet they're very similar. If they're close enough in yield then why even sterilize blocks.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27438893 - 08/22/21 07:19 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would be interested to see those results. Personally I wanna eliminate jars from my process since they're so bulky for so little content mass.
I think out of simplicity and to make the most of passive processes loading a steamer full of blocks, or an autoclave full of grain bags, and innoculating via LC or plates directly I can maximize productivity with my equipment limits.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27438896 - 08/22/21 07:21 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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No affiliation, but great product ofc
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27438903 - 08/22/21 07:27 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: I would be interested to see those results. Personally I wanna eliminate jars from my process since they're so bulky for so little content mass.
I think out of simplicity and to make the most of passive processes loading a steamer full of blocks, or an autoclave full of grain bags, and innoculating via LC or plates directly I can maximize productivity with my equipment limits.
Well if you use bags then it works out the same. Lc or agar to grain bag, then spawn to straight hydrated hwfp. Considering that bran is just a grain product anyways, it stands to reason that enough spawn should directly replace supplementation thus removing the added step of having to sterilize blocks.
I know this is done already, but how different are the results? I bet they're close enough to be able to lose that extra step, not only saving time but a ton of money.

I'll be starting that comparison soon.
Lol, awesome commercial.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27438911 - 08/22/21 07:47 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Epic commercial, which came first the mask or the company name?
My intentions are blocks for gourmet/meds, grain bags for actives. Separate work, different equipment. Overlap duty is with the prestos/AA for Agar/LC prep.
I know some people do just mix grain spawn and HWFP at a 50/50 with good results. Sounds comparable to masters mix @ 50/50.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27438940 - 08/22/21 08:34 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I say build a steam sterilizer and supp.
For my gourmet/meds I do agar to master jar, master jar to 10 receiving jars, and those 10 jars to 40-50 blocks. Supped blocks means less spawn which means less jars/bags of spawn around
I use 2 prestos for spawn and the steam sterilizer for supped blocks. Just get yourself into a set routine with grain cooks. I use bags for gourmet spawn too but only for oyster straw logs.
Set up a weekly schedule like any other job. Monday is cooking masters and agar day, tuesday and wed are prepping sub/sterilizing days so on and so forth. Just gotta keep it up or you'll hit a bottleneck real quick.
You can sterilize sawdust blocks then store them til you need to use them, though. Same with grain bags really but a bit more risky and not really recommended.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27438942 - 08/22/21 08:51 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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1 jar into 4-5 bags is what I'm doing currently. Certainly happy with the results.
Bubba Barrels are on a 10-12wk lead currently, still seems preferable to fucking up a DIY build 
My goal for scheduling is M-F with weekends free.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27439055 - 08/23/21 12:02 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: My goal for scheduling is M-F with weekends free.
One would have to be very calculated with when they spawn to achieve this. Even then, sometimes things finish up a day earlier than expected.
I've been trying to find a balance but I have yet to figure it out. I always end up working 7 days a week.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27439184 - 08/23/21 04:51 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you’re gonna be doing consistent grows of more than a few blocks you might want to just build a steam sterilizer. Probably cheaper and can do as many bags as you build it for.
Thanks for the input. I am starting very small. I already have a very time-consuming business. I also have limited space for cult. So, since this would be additional, a second job STS, I will first work on getting a reishi harvest, no weight goal. I would approach it differently, if the medicinals were my only, or even primary, business.
NTL, I am noting the information.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SpaceBaby]
#27439213 - 08/23/21 06:19 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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This year is all about logistics and timing for me. Trying to get on a "production" schedule for a few months and see how burned out I get. I really don't think "production" is going to be comfortable til I get a hood. Once burnout hits moving to logs and forgetting them.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rockyfungus]
#27439237 - 08/23/21 07:09 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don’t know much about genetics, so for you guys that do is it worth taking spores from these??

I was having trouble with them for a while and finally managed to clean it up only to get whatever lame fruits these are.
Cloning would probably be a waste of time but spores are a pretty solid reset right?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27439240 - 08/23/21 07:14 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I’m sure someone can correct me but yeah, going back to spores would be a better bet than cloning. I’m not sure what those mushrooms are and how far into stabilization they are in terms of generations (F1, F2 etc.). Going back to spore increases the gene pool, but reduces the variations. If these are pretty well stabilized then you might get the same lame fruits but there’s a higher chance you’d get some desirable traits than if you were to clone them.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rockyfungus]
#27439296 - 08/23/21 08:15 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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rockyfungus said: This year is all about logistics and timing for me. Trying to get on a "production" schedule for a few months and see how burned out I get. I really don't think "production" is going to be comfortable til I get a hood. Once burnout hits moving to logs and forgetting them.
so much to learn. thank Myce it's a labot of love. tho so is my other gig. someobdy i know offered to lend me a 24x48, unprompted, and now is ghosting me. FFS. i feel the same way about my cult. it is just so much more difficult with no FH.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27439300 - 08/23/21 08:18 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: I say build a steam sterilizer and supp.
For sure if you're inoculating a large volume of blocks, but would you bother with a sterilizer if you had only 10-15 blocks at a time?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27439388 - 08/23/21 10:13 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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its worth it imo. even an electric autoclave requires way more babysitting than an atmospheric sterilizer and the potential to expand to 40 blocks is only a decision away. i built my 55 gal. drum sterilizer for around $300 so the price is very comparable as well.
shroomsisay01 has a guide that is very easy to follow and source parts from. lots of people here are willing to lend advice and help if you run into trouble.
if you want to do large amounts of spawn though.. i would use a pressure vessel.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: deadmandave]
#27439415 - 08/23/21 10:53 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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10 block runs aren't worth the long sterilization time imo. I can run 10 master jars in a two hour window with my presto, and then inoculate 10x 5lb bags of hwfp without having to break out my big flowhood.
I have all of the stainless steel weldless TriClover parts to build a pretty fancy sterilizer, there's just not much of a point for ~10 blocks.
When running lower volume it's just not necessary to use that much energy when supplementation with grain spawn is sufficient.

Once you're dealing with larger volumes of woody substrate it becomes far less practical to produce that much spawn, it then becomes practical to supplement and sterilize.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27439423 - 08/23/21 11:01 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said:
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natedawgnow said: I say build a steam sterilizer and supp.
For sure if you're inoculating a large volume of blocks, but would you bother with a sterilizer if you had only 10-15 blocks at a time?
No if I only had a few blocks I would lipa tek for sure. But I built my current sterilizer for damn near free so its a no brained especially if you want to go big one day.
My 1st electric sterilizer cost 50 bucks for the barrel and maybe another 50 for parts. My new one uses the barrel from my 1st one and a free 55 gal steel drum for the boiler I found on CL. Propane is the biggest expense but way cheaper than a 75x that's for sure haha
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27439442 - 08/23/21 11:26 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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A few hundred bucks eh? You make me feel foolish to wanna drop so much on a Bubba Barrel, but after ending up with a half-assed FH I replaced with an FFU, I have little hope of building a steamer I would be satisfied with.
If I keep doing what's working well while I wait on a pre-built unit then I should be able to really hit the ground running. At the end of the year it would be noticeable deduction on my taxes so a large price doesn't seem so bad especially since I won't spend all that time working on equipment rather than growing more mush.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27439467 - 08/23/21 11:50 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm about to slap together a second barrel steamer so I can do 80 substrate bags in a cycle.
Promise it's easy. I just paid $40 for one, looked at marketplace later than day and there where four for free right up the road.
Especially if you know an electrician but even without, with basic precautions it's doable for like nate said about a hundo.
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