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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Drboomer]
#27349349 - 06/15/21 01:29 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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2x2 is bare minimum.
First thing I thought when I unboxed mine was should of gone 2x4
How cliche
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27349350 - 06/15/21 01:33 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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18x24 is the smallest id go for blocks. 24x24 would be better
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
#27349358 - 06/15/21 01:40 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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A 2x4 gives me just enough room for my 16" impulse sealer, grain spawn bag and sawdust bags that will be inoculated.
I have a question about capsules. Should I go with the 00 for microdosing mushrooms?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
#27349361 - 06/15/21 01:41 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Go for 24"x24" if you want to safe space. If you can swing it get a 24"x48". Its soooooo nice to have the extra room to work in front of. After getting mine I won't ever be going back to an SAB or anything smaller if I can help it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27349364 - 06/15/21 01:43 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Iambrownbear said: A 2x4 gives me just enough room for my 16" impulse sealer, grain spawn bag and sawdust bags that will be inoculated.
I have a question about capsules. Should I go with the 00 for microdosing mushrooms?
I use 00 for general encapsulation. I can fit about 1/3rd gram of cubes per cap. For micro dosing you could go with a smaller cap size, but I like to keep everything the same in the cap department so I'm not fiddling around with different sizes and accidentally putting smaller caps into my 00 encapsulation machine. So in short, yes, go with the 00 caps.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27349366 - 06/15/21 01:45 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks, PitcherCrab.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27349373 - 06/15/21 01:48 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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You bet. BTW that 1/3rd gram per cap is I really pack them full. Also I was able to fit 2/3rds gram of dry sclerotia in 00s. I'm thinking the weight difference is because the dried stones are so much more dense.
-------------------- PC's LAGM 2021 (TOC & TWC)P. natalensis Growlog 2021Pans for PC Fall 2021 Growlog “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27349381 - 06/15/21 01:55 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting observation with the stones vs shrooms.
I am going to go a head and purchase a capsule machine today. My buddy wants to make chocolates but I was thinking capsules might be the better route because of storage. What is the best way to store the capsules; bags, jars, etc.? Do they need to be stored in a cool, dark place or can they be stored in a cabinet at room temps, etc.?
Edited by BrownBear (06/15/21 01:56 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27349387 - 06/15/21 01:58 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like vacuum sealing.. took about 2 years to go bad for me.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27349391 - 06/15/21 02:00 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I keep a larger stash in a cool dark closet in ball jars and then a supplement bottle in my drawer for the ones I'm actively using. I haven't found the loose much potency when smashed into a capsule. I've sometimes had the same caps for 3 years.
For longer term storage I'd suggest vacuum sealing with an oxygen eater. I just started doing this myself. I got some silver mylar vacuum bags so they don't get any light and the oxygen eaters take care of oxidation that might happen.
-------------------- PC's LAGM 2021 (TOC & TWC)P. natalensis Growlog 2021Pans for PC Fall 2021 Growlog “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
Edited by PitcherCrab (06/15/21 02:00 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
#27349393 - 06/15/21 02:00 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Awesome! Thanks. I have a vacuum sealer.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27349418 - 06/15/21 02:23 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Today I wanted to give dog food LC a try but this is what I got when I boiled the dog food
 I did 24 grams of dog food to 1200ml water (2% ratio) but that's hell opaque. No way I'm gonna use that  I have honey or brf at home. Which one is better and in which ratios do you use it for LC? (This is my first time preparing LC, and the info at the search bar is pretty untidy at this topic )
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27349424 - 06/15/21 02:27 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mylar vacuum seal bags with O2 absorber + desiccant packet is my standard.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
#27349425 - 06/15/21 02:28 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lenz said:
What did it look like when the mold was growing on your SFD? Was it very obvious? I've done the RTV'd SFDs before and still had similar issues, I switched to whole SFD's trying to fix this. It would somewhat explain the fact that jars that I've shaken once I removed them from the PC still have contamination start at the top but I don't think I've really noticed my SFDs being particularly moldy when my jars contaminate.
It does make more sense the more I think about it though for a few reasons.
1. I leave my jars to cool in the PC overnight after cooking them, which means that even if there is foil covering the SFD's they're basically getting soaked from being left in such a moist environment over such a time period. 2. I shake them once I remove them from the cooker which basically gets the nutritious grain water all over the entire area of the disk which I believe soaks in and suffuses the already wet disk readily. 3. They aren't able to dry out quickly enough to prevent mold growth because it's trapped under the lid of the jar and the only area of the disk exposed to open air is the small 1/4 inch hole drilled in the lid.
If there's any part of this line of reasoning that doesn't hold together please let me know, I think maybe point 3 is shaky since I thought SFDs are supposed to dry out pretty quickly but I really don't know. Otherwise I think at this point the only 2 possible options are either mold growth on the SFD or the lid itself letting something in. I think it's almost entirely impossible that a brand new stack of SFD's from a reputable source is faulty, so I'm going to rule that out for now.
It still doesn't answer the question of previous contamination with different lid setups, like unmodded or RTV'd cut to size SFDs but I'm going to take this one step at a time because at this point my head is fucking swirling with all the little possibilities and what ifs at this point.
Thank you for the input and excuse the wordy response, just trying to get this all sorted in my head.
It was obvious if you knew what it was, if you didn't it wasn't. I only spotted it one time that clued me in because of the discoloration on the SFD - but it got through and spread its evil spores inside. Only takes one. 
I never leave the jars to cool in the PC. Once they cool off enough to handle I take them out and shake them thoroughly. They're hot and that would tend to dry out the filters. Shaking them hot IME does a better job of evening up the hydration - by the next day they're all plump and good.
So I'd say change to taking them out hot and shaking them then. I wear dishwashing gloves to do it, the hotter the better.
I've had contams over the years with all sorts of variations on lids/filters/you name it. The one method that works at 100% is what I'm doing now, unless of course the grain is really dirty.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gabbk]
#27349439 - 06/15/21 02:38 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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You really don't need all that much nutrition in LC to grow a nice culture. I would have started off with 3 grams of dog food per 1200 ml of water. When I was growing cultures in nutritional yeast LC I was using .5 grams per 250 ml of water and had some nice thick cultures in about 10-14 days.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
#27349442 - 06/15/21 02:40 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: Mylar vacuum seal bags with O2 absorber + desiccant packet is my standard.
I will just have to purchase some 02 absorber and desiccant packets also. Thank you.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27349454 - 06/15/21 02:46 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quirk, which desiccant packets do you use?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
#27349458 - 06/15/21 02:49 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Iambrownbear said: You really don't need all that much nutrition in LC to grow a nice culture. I would have started off with 3 grams of dog food per 1200 ml of water. When I was growing cultures in nutritional yeast LC I was using .5 grams per 250 ml of water and had some nice thick cultures in about 10-14 days.
Ohhhhhhhh damn hahaha so I missed a zero I did 1200x2% instead of 0.2% that's why I put 24 grams haha as I was doing it my senses were telling me that something was off im used to do the agar math only.. Thank you a lot my friend I'll prepare it again Don't miss hours of sleep or you'll put 24 grams to the recipe of LC!!!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gabbk]
#27349460 - 06/15/21 02:51 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I seen people using wire racks in their sabs, I wanna get one too. Any recommendations?
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#27349472 - 06/15/21 02:59 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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