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OfflineEugene Gesuale
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #27335512 - 06/04/21 04:54 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I use a plastic unmodified lid without the silicone ring that they come with. Just cheap ones on Amazon rated at 240* work well in the pc even at 15psi. I loosen them like 30*- 45* with foil on them. After they cool I just throw 2 pieces of scotch tape on opposite ends of the lid to hold it down to the jar


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Eugene Gesuale]
    #27335536 - 06/04/21 05:42 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Yea threaded plastic lids worked well for me until they didn't.
Granted that it was a pretty extreme case of huge spore load in a moldy place so I'm not completely knocking them.

At the time that got me thinking why the food industry always uses a kind of hermetic flap (really don't know the name for this) covering the mouth of the jar when they use plastic threaded lids or snap-on plastic lids, and use none of that when the lid has a truly air tight seal (the lids of pickle jars for instance).


Found this stupid vid that shows perfectly what I'm referring to by that flap (the golden one).


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27335549 - 06/04/21 05:53 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I like to remove my ring so I can get a good wipe on those threads. I use plastic and 2 piece. Sometimes I like one more than the other depending on which that's pissing me off at the moment.



That's a good idea. Ha derp. I've been thinking about wrapping my jars with glad wrap after inoculation and use.
Got a couple stirrers I haven't used yet,stoked to try them out.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
    #27335554 - 06/04/21 05:57 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Josex, when that video started, it reminded me of the youtube video on how to press R


M


:lol:


So I have 9 plates I am watching now, 5 are equador swabs from a print I made in 2019, and 4 are from a chitwan spore syringe I had for maybe 5 years or so now.


Should I be doing anything else at this point or just sitting and waiting to see growth?  Wanna get ahead of the curve


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PreparationH]
    #27335558 - 06/04/21 06:02 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I give my lid rings a 1/8-1/4 turn and than I wrap them with parafilm.



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #27335563 - 06/04/21 06:11 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Ayyyyyyy


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PreparationH]
    #27335568 - 06/04/21 06:13 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Josex, when that video started, it reminded me of the youtube video on how to press R


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:lol:





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Fucking brilliant bro, who wood of thunk!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #27335569 - 06/04/21 06:13 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Brown bear, is that to seal them against contams? I've never seen that before. I still use tyvek with the canning lid over the top with 2 holes drilled in it. I've considered getting filter discs but never made the leap.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27335570 - 06/04/21 06:19 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah my place is filthy and the only problems I really have had were with one piece plastic lids.


I use tyvek circles over my lids. I ordered filter discs a while ago and had like 80% failure rate even though they were advertised for mush cult.

My favorite is the little band aid type sticker filters. I only have a couple lids with them somebody gave me but they’re awesome.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27335574 - 06/04/21 06:23 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Wow. Yall get crazy with them lids. Im not mad about that whole ring/seal lid shit. I use both cheap and expensive plastic lids, both work equally well. The cheap ones are a little brittle 8n comparison. And jst little sfd stickers.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27335579 - 06/04/21 06:27 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Brown bear, is that to seal them against contams? I've never seen that before. I still use tyvek with the canning lid over the top with 2 holes drilled in it. I've considered getting filter discs but never made the leap.




The parafilm allows for gas exchange without risk of letting in contams just like using any other filter.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27335583 - 06/04/21 06:32 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)



That's my jam, pickle jars and a hole stuffed with poly, real tight.

I did a dumb when I ordered a zillion mason jars from Merica and another zillion SFD'S when I was a noob, it put a pretty big dent on my savings having to import that shit.

Of course it was the Shroomery's and The United States of America's fault that got me thinking only mason jars work for this hobby... wrong.

Pickle jars and their lids for an extra-smooth experience.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
    #27335588 - 06/04/21 06:37 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I ain't gonna lie, Those pickle jars look very tempting. The ease of those lids would be awesome. I don't wanna have to rob the glass recycling area though.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27335624 - 06/04/21 07:18 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Them look like Smucker's lids

Im interested in this "aspiration into syringe" tek thing deal chingas your using. I seen a pic of it. Looks like you doing alien autopsies.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
    #27335713 - 06/04/21 09:10 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Tbh I never tried plastic lids for my mason jars but I know that good cultivators here use them regularly with no issues. Maybe it's actually the whole sfd covering the jar's entrance that allows some undesirable gaps? But you said it feels tight, beats me...

On the other hand, I've seen a variety of containers with threaded unmodified plastic lids contaminate on their own. The place was full of mold but seeing that tells me plastic isn't really reliable in all circumstances and since I like fullproof I ditched plastic altogether for cult. It's hermetic metal lids and efficient filters for me, those never fail unless they're old or defective.




Josex, do you do rubber side up? That, with an SFD doesn’t feel secure. I have had a couple of jars open up on me. I haven’t tried rubber side down.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27335799 - 06/04/21 10:55 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

What do you mean by open up on you? As in slide open accidentally while taking the ring off? I run metal lids with SFD's sometimes and they do occasionally slide open when I take the ring off in front of the hood.

Honestly, if I could find a good method to handle the two piece metal lids I'd completely transition to metal only. But they're more clumsy for me than plastic lids


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27335807 - 06/04/21 11:06 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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Tbh I never tried plastic lids for my mason jars but I know that good cultivators here use them regularly with no issues. Maybe it's actually the whole sfd covering the jar's entrance that allows some undesirable gaps? But you said it feels tight, beats me...

On the other hand, I've seen a variety of containers with threaded unmodified plastic lids contaminate on their own. The place was full of mold but seeing that tells me plastic isn't really reliable in all circumstances and since I like fullproof I ditched plastic altogether for cult. It's hermetic metal lids and efficient filters for me, those never fail unless they're old or defective.




Josex, do you do rubber side up? That, with an SFD doesn’t feel secure. I have had a couple of jars open up on me. I haven’t tried rubber side down.




Always rubber side up and the whole SFD wedged between lid and ring, it is secure.

Rubber side down makes things much more difficult as you have to literally pry open the lid.

I don't know exactly what you mean by the jars opening up on you. If you screw down the ring nothing is going to move or open on their own.


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I run metal lids with SFD's sometimes and they do occasionally slide open when I take the ring off in front of the hood.





To prevent that I put a finger on the SFD to hold it down while I take off the ring with the other hand.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #27336021 - 06/05/21 06:42 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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no one can tell you if you're lc is clean. You need to test on agar when it's done to confirm.

Those jars you posted look good.




Yeah. I know which are bad, and it's definitely me learning better technique over time. All four jars were nocc'd with Josex Poke, so any contam is likely from me.

Thanks. Solid white before spawing to coir? I'll see what I can turn up in search, but that is another TEK in progress.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27336118 - 06/05/21 08:58 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Josex said:
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SpaceBaby said:
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Josex said:
Tbh I never tried plastic lids for my mason jars but I know that good cultivators here use them regularly with no issues. Maybe it's actually the whole sfd covering the jar's entrance that allows some undesirable gaps? But you said it feels tight, beats me...

On the other hand, I've seen a variety of containers with threaded unmodified plastic lids contaminate on their own. The place was full of mold but seeing that tells me plastic isn't really reliable in all circumstances and since I like fullproof I ditched plastic altogether for cult. It's hermetic metal lids and efficient filters for me, those never fail unless they're old or defective.




Josex, do you do rubber side up? That, with an SFD doesn’t feel secure. I have had a couple of jars open up on me. I haven’t tried rubber side down.




Always rubber side up and the whole SFD wedged between lid and ring, it is secure.

Rubber side down makes things much more difficult as you have to literally pry open the lid.

I don't know exactly what you mean by the jars opening up on you. If you screw down the ring nothing is going to move or open on their own.


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I run metal lids with SFD's sometimes and they do occasionally slide open when I take the ring off in front of the hood.





To prevent that I put a finger on the SFD to hold it down while I take off the ring with the other hand.




SUBJECT 1

That's what I do, rubber up, whole SFD, screw down on the motherfucker.

It's happened a couple of times that even though I thought I had screwed the rings down very tightly that when I gripped the ring it lifted straight up [motherfucker] when getting ready to open it and then the lid slid a bit off the jar. I do the one finger hold thing, but have noobistic spasticism.

I am having bacterial nightmares with almost every jar to some degree or other.

I am trying to determine the vector[s] which create the results that sadden me.

I think I have one great jar, one good one and the rest are suffering some degree of contamination.

It's probably time to do a "please diagnose" string of photos.:

Jars B+  20210605 // Can I go to individual shoeboxes for all 7?
jar1



jar2



jar 3



Pic 1, noon and 6pm; Pic 5, 11 am


jar 4



Pic 1 Pic 2, larger patches front upper center.


jar 5



Pics 1, 2, 5

jar 6



Pics 3, 4 5

jar 7



Pic 1, noon


TYIA for your experienced eyes diagnostics.

SUBJECT 2

A.k.a. said to try feruiting the bacterial Malabar and GT in the quart jars. Heare are a couple of Malabar pins. yay:

JAR PINS from 1st emergency bottle tek :rockon:



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Edited by SpaceBaby (06/06/21 04:22 PM)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27336199 - 06/05/21 10:42 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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It's happened a couple of times that even though I thought I had screwed the rings down very tightly that when I gripped the ring it lifted straight up




Yea I know what you mean, it has happened to me too. Sometimes it feels like the ring has catched the threads but it doesn't, you have to make sure you did it right


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