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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27298420 - 05/07/21 09:42 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can use anything really. Boil a potatoe in water for 20 min, strain out solid material, add a dash of molasses, and there ya go. Or skip the molasses and just use the potatoe water as is.
Or grind up some brown rice into flour and use that as your nutes. Same with any grain really.
Or use the grain soak water diluted at 50%
Not a huge fan of grain water myself, always got sluggish growth no matter the concentration I used
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27298435 - 05/07/21 09:52 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ah fuck, wonder if further dilution would speed up that growth then. Lower their nutes and make em reach, but as you said the concentration didn't seem to matter. Been having a rotten run with bacterial LCs lately. Sucks but it is what is I was using ELME to try and create low sediment crystal clear LC and somehow I went through a pound of that shit seemingly overnight.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#27298438 - 05/07/21 09:55 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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EDIT: meant to reply to 0ptiquest, not natedawgnow.
Here are some other thoughts on extraction/tinctures that I have been planning to try. Looks interesting but I can neither confirm nor deny yet, though.
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00Burnout said: Extract made from alcohol soak. However, in the case of mushrooms, we're usually referring to double extraction tinctures which is often the method used for reishi tinctures.
Double extraction tinctures are made by combining both extracts made from both soaking in high proof alcohol (190 proof is the highest most people can obtain, legally) this is referred to as the tincture, and boiling in water, which is referred to as the decoction.
More info here
and continued here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25320812#25320812
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ReverendMyc]
#27298447 - 05/07/21 10:03 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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thanks, yes i have read this thread of double extraction https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18845747/fpart/1/vc/1
But inside that thread they said that you can extract all actives of cubensis just using alcohol, or just water, they use the double extraction for medicinal mushrooms that are hard as wood and need the double extraction to extract all actives.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 0ptiquest]
#27298461 - 05/07/21 10:26 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, being liquid 45 should be plenty
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#27298476 - 05/07/21 10:43 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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45 minutes is plenty but I usually do one hour for good measure when using grain water for LC, overkill is good sometimes if you don't break anything in the process.
It sucks running out of LME because nothing comes close to it for LC, it's really that good. Potato and rice, both make a really turbid broth even in low concentrations so my go to is grain water. Usually just boil a handful of millet and use the water diluted. Millet makes a clearer broth than most grains so you don't have to dilute it nearly as much.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
#27298485 - 05/07/21 10:48 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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What's your dilute ratio? Half and half?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#27298495 - 05/07/21 10:57 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Crackatoa said: What's your dilute ratio? Half and half?
I weigh out 3 grams of millet for every 100ml of water I'll be using. Throw the millet and the water in a little pot, let it boil for ~15-20 minutes and then dilute it just a bit until I'm satisfied with the resulting broth, nothing exact about it.
But this is not something to sweat about, the worst that can happen is that you make a broth that it's a bit too strong (and therefore more turbid) so visibility will be worse.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
#27298504 - 05/07/21 11:01 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just dropped my first ape myc to grain! Courtesy of Roar
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 0ptiquest]
#27298509 - 05/07/21 11:05 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yup. I can't find my source now, so I may be misremembering, but I thought that part of the idea with double extraction with fresh actives was to capture the psilocin. The theory is that the alcohol better captures and protects the pcilocin and the water more effectively captures the psilocybin. Could be pure grade A bullshit, though.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ReverendMyc]
#27298533 - 05/07/21 11:21 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I believe methanol does the best at extraction for shrooms. Water second. Or is it water first, methanol second?... Meh, watever.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#27298551 - 05/07/21 11:37 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Haha thanks i will encapsulate some and make an alcohol extraction to test the best way for microdosing.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 0ptiquest]
#27298558 - 05/07/21 11:43 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I never diluted grain water.
Do you have any rice or flour? I've powdered oats in a blender, boiled strained and made lc and agar
Late to that discussion
Edited by mushboy (05/07/21 11:44 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27298604 - 05/07/21 12:31 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Negative on both. I got some white flour kicking around though and I mean, that's wheat so.. should work? Nooo fuckin idea how much to use though. Gonna give grain water a shot and PC it for 45 at 17, hopefully any bacillus endospores eat shit and die during such time.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27298627 - 05/07/21 12:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can even boil a piece of furniture if you real scrappy scooby-dope
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I've always thought we're all somewhat weird here, but some of us go a little beyond.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
#27298651 - 05/07/21 12:59 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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PC your sofa, Josex
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Yea well I see myself using some of this for an LC,
rather than going round the house taking pieces of furniture.
But to each their own!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
#27298663 - 05/07/21 01:05 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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This thread always puts out
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tiptrippy]
#27298778 - 05/07/21 02:49 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you have some nasty stuff growing in spawn jars, should you chuck the actual quart jars or will a wash / PC sort them out to use again?
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