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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones] 1
#27275442 - 03/30/21 07:37 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I see, late casing for me always seems to stress things out and yields suffer, I think for cubes if you are going to case it's best to do so right before the sub is fully colonized then do the casing otherwise I believe the fruiting mode is disrupted... Just my suspicion, correct me if Im wrong.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27275452 - 03/30/21 07:49 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I actually have experimented with casing some, but like during spawning mix and then blank layer on top, either coir or verm or mix of both. I dont mess with gypsum
I think I've been over misting. It's hard for me to accept shoeboxes are so neglectable.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tututotutut] 1
#27275460 - 03/30/21 07:54 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ye too much water or drastic changes definitely stall them out. Whenever there's a drastic change in fae or moisture happening, I get these stunted little miserable fruits that were previously growing fine but now look sickly and have started to fuzz with mycelium
The other day I changed the conditions of a tray that had tons of FAE and a very good substrate moisture level and I transfered it to a setup with low FAE and not as much humidity in the air.. The ratio of air to sub mositure was completely off, now the sustrate was waterlogged because evaporation couldn't take place as well. The shrooms that previously grew well suddenly suffered in there and stopped growing, then I put it back in the tons of FAE setup and they suddenly resumed growth, they hated the changing environment. This is why it's important to prep at field capacity because any more water will need tons of good fae and evap for the sub not to decide that "im drowining in here"
I read from a TC that if they fruit in certain conditions you must not disrupt them further as they enjoyed these certain conditions in the first place to fruit. That is, misting too much and overcaring will definitely mess things, I have noticed they don't like sudden changes or imbalanced properties like too much water etc. Picky little guys
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm] 1
#27275543 - 03/30/21 09:25 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Feasoghorm said: Meh, i dropped my purse and did some quick research. Unmodded plastic lids not better than modded lids. Balls...now imma have to modify all them bastards.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 0ptiquest] 1
#27275573 - 03/30/21 10:07 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you guys find the addition of verm and gypsum make much difference?
I've never used either for cubes. I have verm, but its not exactly cheap so there would need to be a substantial reason for me to start adding it to substrates.
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I haven't found a reason other than I like the mix. But I've ran several just coir perfectly fine. I've never added gypsum and never seen a need or heard a good reason why. Only heard it's pointless.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#27275597 - 03/30/21 10:31 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I like having verm around as well, especially since I need it for casing but noticed exactly 0 difference when I ran out once and spawned some coir only tubs.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
#27275607 - 03/30/21 10:39 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks crack, that's good to hear. I know a lot of people use it but never really understood why as it just does the same job as coir (from my understanding). I thought maybe it creates a better substrate consistency or something. I'll carry on as is for now.
Lenz, ya I have bag in the shed that I use for casing but I'd rinse through it if I was to start adding quarts of it to substrates and like I said, not the cheapest material over here
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I only use verm for casing too.
Never tried gypsum.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lenz]
#27275617 - 03/30/21 10:50 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't notice a difference between gypsum or not but I got a gigantic fucking bag of it and what else am I gonna use it for? I won't be buying a second one. Vermiculite I like just for the consistency I get in my substrate. It's also really handy when you overshoot your field capacity.
Pure coir works.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
#27275620 - 03/30/21 10:54 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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starbones said: It's also really handy when you overshoot your field capacity.
That's a good shout, never occurred to me. Definitely keeping this in mind, thanks.
Whats gypsum for in theory? Even if it doesn't make a difference.
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it provides calcium and (I think) sulfur to the mushrooms which they like. RR also used to say that it prevents PH swings but ive seen this being disputed lately as false.
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What is your preferred ratio for cubes guys? 1/4 to 1/2 is optimal right?
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Honestly my containers fruiting uncased have put out more fruits faster so far. Contamination rates about the same across the board I havent ran as much as many of you though. I should probably clean my vermiculite, pasteurize it or something just once.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Phony Phone]
#27275651 - 03/30/21 11:23 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have no idea what the ratio is, 3or4 quarts(culture depending) to a 650g brick.
I tried uncased once, but it dried out too quick. Didn't get trich before 2nd flush but it was too high maintenance for me. I like to just not touch my tubs till harvest.
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Verm is awesome. Holds water better in dry environments, used to level out over field capacity subs, casings, makes for a fluffier sub, etc.
Ive ran tubs without verm and I definitely noticed a difference.
As for gypsum, I like to add it in my grain prep but I havent seen any difference in subs that have gypsum and subs that dont. I used to use a 1/4qt per sub but havent in at least 3 years and probably wont go back.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#27275674 - 03/30/21 11:45 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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No need to pasteurize verm, it's like coir. It's contaminant resistant.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crackatoa] 1
#27275705 - 03/30/21 12:13 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Add verm if you care more about quality than expediency. Improves the consistency of the substrate noticeably and makes it more airy. Also, adding 3 quarts of verm to a brick of coir allows me to add from 1 to 1,5 liters of extra water in the bucket, that extra water and a fluffier sub makes it worth it imo.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex] 1
#27275710 - 03/30/21 12:17 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
#27275723 - 03/30/21 12:30 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lol, nicely worded. I'll give it a go at some point see if the improved sub quality increases the cultures productivity enough to be worth it.
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Hi guys, what do you think about this study? Preliminary tryptamine potency analysis from dried, homogenized fruit bodies of Psilocybe mushrooms It appears to analyze the potency of different cubensis varieties... I doubt they isued isolates though.
 But still the data looks quite interesting!
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